" I don't want to see teachers or anyone else vetted much beyond sex offending, recidivist criminality and terrorism. I'd much prefer all our kids went to the same schools ... "
What riles me about institutions and organisations, and at times appals, is poor real - time monitoring, assessing and intervening structures. A BNP member who excels at teaching is preferable to a liberal who adds nothing meaningful in the classroom ! Yet, how do we judge their performance on the job, without appropriate structures and processes in place ? Without these, it might be legitimate to recognise the risks of inducting a person who subscribes to ideologies or beliefs that are patently racist or extreme in other ways. Behaviours at avoiding such risks would be understandable, and the pragmatic thing to do, when there are no objective mechanisms to assure that any possible harm would be nipped in the bud and swiftly eliminated for good. Constitutional rights and philosophical positions notwithstanding. On Mar 13, 7:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The trouble with the BNP and EDL is that they do have appeal. I > suspect bans on membership might actually lead to more members in > covert support. The issue that never seems to be addressed is why so > many people feel upset by immigrants, much of which isn't racist in > any simple skin colour way and seems to be happening in reverse as > much as through the BNP and the less overt UKIP and Tory right. I > suspect we will see an upset at the next elections, because the real > issues are being suppressed. There will probably be violence on the > streets too. > > I don't want to see teachers or anyone else vetted much beyond sex > offending, recidivist criminality and terrorism. I'd much prefer all > our kids went to the same schools, rather than start vetting over BNP- > like stuff. Class remains the biggest problem in the UK along with > unfairness of opportunity and sectarianism. > > On 13 Mar, 00:33, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > An atheist would be better suited to religious education than a > > theist. A theist is within a mental box, how would they then > > ACCURATELY and FAIRLY teach about the inside of other boxes? An > > atheist would treat all religions, superstitions, and mythologies > > fairly as a rule, because they can peer into each box and describe the > > contents. We had this problem in my school, with a christian teacher > > that chose christian written books as sources. > > > On Mar 12, 8:20 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > And there in lies the rub Pat. > > > > As I say I guess we all kow some racist people. I can't even think of > > > one of them not propered to offer their claptrap at any oppertunity. > > > > The point though is this, why ban members of racist organisations from > > > the police force and the prison services, and allow them access to > > > kids? > > > > It is true that I have an overwhelming bias here, yet that aside I > > > think my point a valid one. > > > > As to Atheist techears of RE, two thoughts occour to me. Why would an > > > Atheist want to teach RE? Which leads to the second thought, perhaps > > > we shouldthen be wary of thier motivations for doing so? > > > > Although in principle you are correct I would have little trouble with > > > letting an athiest teach kids RE, after all motivations aside, > > > spirtual faith IS a personal matter and I really don't care whether > > > people are Theist or Atheist. I have love for God my freind, and feel > > > almost nowt for any of the many paths towards such an entity, > > > including my own. > > > > Racism though is differant isn't it? Religion CAN be divisive if we > > > as individuals let it be, but a belife that fosters the belife that > > > somehow the colour of the skin has any bearing on well anything > > > important at all, is certianly divisive. > > > > As to expressing their views. Can you remember being at School Pat? > > > Can you remember any teacher that did not conciously or unconciously > > > infect you with their own ideas, or belife structure? > > > > I know I can't. > > > > The very best teachers that I know engage their pupils, in doing so > > > the teacher must give of herself something to the kids, do you not > > > think? > > > > On 12 Mar, 16:03, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Mar, 15:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well today we have the news that ministers have decided it is not > > > > > appropriate to ban teachers who are members of of political parties > > > > > that support racisim. > > > > > > I can understand freedom of speach and belife, yes I can. what I > > > > > don't understand is that Police officers and those who work in the > > > > > prision services cannot keep their jobs if they are members of such > > > > > groups. > > > > > > Yet teachers are fine? We all know some racist people I am sure, it > > > > > is very hard for them not to let their belifes effect they way they > > > > > treat people, and so my fear is substandard teaching from these people > > > > > on the grounds of the colour of their pupils skin. > > > > > > I think our goverment has fucked this one up good and proper, they > > > > > could have made a very strong stance here, what a pity, but what do > > > > > you think? > > > > > Is it OK, in the UK, to have an atheist teaching RE (Religious > > > > Education)? Should it be? Personally, I don't think the teacher's > > > > beliefs should matter as long as they aren't teaching their beliefs > > > > and stick to the curriculum. That may be harder for some, but, if an > > > > atheist has a decent background and can teach the subject of RE, then > > > > I don't think their personal beliefs should be held against them. > > > > Now, if they add in remarks that are extra-curricular, then, lke the > > > > BNP-promoting teacher, should be thrown out. As long as the BNP > > > > member doesn't express his views in the classroom and sticks to the > > > > curriculum, then there shouldn't be a problem.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
