We agree on one thing Don, the tax structure is askew. Perhaps we should work in the areas where we see eye to eye, OK? Somehow, this point seems to go missing all too easily.
The rest of your rhetoric is mostly unfounded, trite and misses the point greatly. Ideologically, you project all sorts of things on a simple attempt at helping citizens reduce their fear about health care in the USA. The evidence of how this works worldwide is obvious and shows that we have a lot further to go…regardless of the fears and polarizing going on. Some of the stuff on TV today harkened back to the Civil War! Hopefully, rather than looking for fights, we can find some sort of unity…no, not utopia, for clearly, you don’t want utopia. Your parting shot is not that well thought out Don. If, in fact, that is your stance, you do not apply your ideology to all facets of political nor economic life. Perhaps a review of the principle of universality would be in order. On Mar 23, 3:47 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:43 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > When it comes to ‘assets’, perhaps for some, life itself could be seen > > as being same. However, for the poor, health and will being just may > > not be possible in a system as draconian as the …what should we call > > it?...it isn’t a ‘health care’ system today…an insurance-hospital for > > profit system perhaps?...is today. Of course, the term ‘insurance’ has > > become conflated with ‘healthcare’. They *are* quite different things. > > Countless other models today can confirm this. > > > And, IF one is to be treated in all ways based on how much money one > > has, that about matches reality today, no? My guess Don, is that you > > receive, proportionately, *much* better health care than you should… > > compared say to Bill Gates. Perhaps we should change the law and give > > you worse care? > > > Sadly, the youth of today have no idea how healthcare was dispensed > > say, in the 40s and 50s. As the US was reaching its zenith in many > > ways, people didn’t have to worry about healthcare. There was an > > understanding, as there is in almost every civilized western > > industrialized country, that health care *is* a right…similar to food > > and shelter. It isn’t even debated! > > My goodness. So basically what your saying is you think the World > owes EVERYONE a living. Wow. I'll tell you what, you write the > check. We have charity hospitals and clinics which could be much > better privately funded without the truly Draconian taxes the middle > class is being saddled with. Congress may call it 'premiums' or > 'fines' if they want. What it is is a tax. Back in the 50's folks > hardly ever went to the doctor. They went when they had to. Now most > folks go at least twice a year. If something is really wrong you get > treated whether you can pay for it or not. Perhaps not a Cadillac > treatment but treatment just the same. You may get a bill but if > you're poor, you don't pay and we don't have debtors prisons here in > this country. In the vernacular; this bill SUCKS. > > Do you believe everyone has the 'right' to live in a mansion with > servants and eat caviar and lobster every day? No? If yes, how, pray > tell, would that work economically? Utopia cannot exist. We can > dream but in the end that's all it is. The system we are moving > towards REMOVES freedoms. It makes it harder to succeed. The wealth > generating opportunities of the 80's and 90's are gone. Just gone. > With every extra tax collected and every dollar congress wastes we are > impoverishing ourselves that much more as a country. > > > > > Somehow, avarice became the watchword for the US rather than notions > > like freedom, egalitarianism, democracy, compassion, love etc. There > > is a reason that greed is seen as a poison/sin in almost every > > theology on the planet…it poisons the human psyche…along with > > everything that particular psyche touches. > > There is greed and there is ambition. We should encourage ambition, > not remove incentive. Compassion is good. It should be voluntary, > however. I curse coercive compassion. > > dj > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 10:22 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I see insurance as what it is and should be. Something to protect > >> your assets should something catastrophic befall you. Such as disease > >> or illness or fire or flood. If you have no assets(say, if you're > >> dirt poor) ya don't need no stinkin' insurance. That's the way I've > >> always seen it. I really don't get how people see something as a > >> right that is really nothing of the sort. That doesn't mean that we > >> should ignore the poor that are sick but it DOES mean they certainly > >> don't deserve the same level of care as those of us who can afford > >> better care. > > >> I was in court today to take care of some business. I was there for 2 > >> and a half hours. I saved roughly 250 dollars by seeing the judge > >> and not just paying my tickets. You sit in pews until the row ahead > >> of you is empty and then your row moves up one row. Cell phones > >> turned off and nobody talking to each other. I sat there bored stiff > >> thinking "yeah, in a few years, this is what it will be like at the > >> doctors office." I was aching to pop off and say it out loud but was > >> scared the judge would hear me. All these big city judges are > >> bleeding heart liberals. Last thing I wanted to do was piss off the > >> judge. > > >> Got me to thinking seeing all these guys and dolls sitting there bored > >> out of their minds. They should open up kiosks with hot dogs and > >> jewelry and maybe a bar with mixed drinks and sodas while you wait. > >> Maybe a bank of those cool poker slot machines. We'd all be a little > >> less bored the the city could make a little more profit. Ooops. > >> There's the P word. > > >> dj > > >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Don You are a Cop and a proud job.. but when they over look the > >> > corruption > >> > and miss information to prevent a bill from passing it is a sad day.. My > >> > question to you is this.. when policies of insurance companies make in > >> > the > >> > name of freedom and profit are the board of directors and the top > >> > corporate > >> > executives held accountable for the murders they they with their > >> > policies > >> > committed? > >> > Allan > > >> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Greetings comrades! Another great leap towards loss of personal and > >> >> financial freedom. We're going so Euro pretty soon I'm going to stop > >> >> taking a shower every day and give up on deodorant. Maybe try some > >> >> warm beer as well just for solidarity. > > >> >> Seriously, I'm a bit sad today. One bright spot was seeing my brother > >> >> at the protest at the WH. He's there for a class but is free this > >> >> weekend to play tourist. He called me and parked himself by the fox > >> >> news camera and I finally spotted him. Looking bored. His answer to > >> >> what he thinks of the HC bill is, "I don't know, I haven't read it." > >> >> Yeah, he voted for Obama. I tried to get him to start a chant, "Free- > >> >> Dom! Free-Dom!" but he wouldn't do it. Wussy. > > >> >> They have more votes then they need now. Slaughter House Rules. > >> >> Books will be written about this travesty of process and the fraud > >> >> being perpetrated by our Congressmen. > > >> >> Deficit neutral my left nad. 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