On 24 Mrz., 21:34, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> As I've said before, we can agree that some people need and deserve help but
> it should be voluntarily provided.  America has long proved our generosity
> to needy peoples around the world and because of that I resent a little
> Fran's blog post on HCR that seems to me to be a bit condescending.  I feel
> it wasn't meant that way but people like me will see it that way I'm
> afraid.  We have many years to see how this will play out but even the best
> case scenario doesn't look good.
>
> I now have a burr under my saddle to see what benefits I can get for my
> autistic son.  He is MUCH less capable the you, Fidd.  He is probably over
> medicated but when I tried to ween him off his meds a couple of years ago
> disaster struck.  He's dependent now and that's life.  I have signed hm up
> through DARS and am starting the paper work to get guardianship and get on
> the gravy train.  I feel a little dirty but it's the only way to get some
> money back from the greedy politicians.  If they would just leave us alone I
> feel I could take good care of my family on my own but taxes are KILLING
> ME.  Property, fees, energy bills, water bills, capital gains, AARRGG.
>
> I give up.  I'm getting in line for my cut of government's ill gotten
> gains.  It makes me feel a little ashamed but I feel I'm backed into a
> corner here.  I'm going to try to go on the hand out list and if I need to
> take a pay cut to get on it I may go ahead and get another job that doesn't
> pay as well.  I'll have to weigh the cost/benefit.  If I'm at home more I
> can stop paying the house cleaner and do more of my own yard work.
>
I've been thinking over this reply for a while, Don. Please believe
me, condescension wasn't at all on my radar when I posted about HCR on
my blog. What goes on in the USA IS of interest to us all over the
world, if only because you're one of the biggest kids on the block and
our lives and fortunes are linked with yours in all kinds of ways,
politically, militarily, economically and (perhaps most importantly)
culturally. Networked world, global village and all that. And this
linkage is reciprocal - something that many US Americans often seem to
forget.

As I stated on my blog, one of my main concerns is to try to
understand what makes Sarah Palin's "Joe Sixpack" tick (not that I
would dream of putting you into this category - for me you are a great
example of a thinking, engaging conservative, which is one of the
reasons I value you so much). He's not a unique phenomenon, his German
equivalent is called "Hans Wurst," reads the "Bild" newspaper and
believes, for example, that the euro is way softer than the good old D-
Mark and is completely impervious to all evidence which proves the
contrary - but that's just an aside.

On reflection, I think I recognise a fundamental difference in
attitude between us, or between US and European culture, more
generally seen. I stress that this observation is, from my side, not
value-laden in any way, simply something which helps me reach an
inkling of understanding. You describe a possible move to obtain
public benefits for you and yours as "get[ting] on the gravy train"
and "getting in line for my cut of government's ill gotten gains" and
state that this "makes [you] feel a little ashamed." I think this
comes from that great positive value-meme which is so central to the
US American experience; freedom/self-reliance/personal responsibility.

In a similar situation, I (and, I believe, the vast majority of
Europeans) would think very differently, seeing particular needs,
which were not self-caused, as being cases of entitlement in a
mutually dependent society. In that sense, it's nothing to be ashamed
of; far from it, it's a right. It's another positive value-meme,
having to do with societal solidarity/communal responsibility.
Europeans get just as hot under the collar as US Americans about
welfare fraudsters - and they also (at least those of us in the
middle) get angry at rich tax evaders. Perhaps the emphasis is
slightly different because we see both groups as trying to deceive and
exploit the necessary solidarity which is the basis of a decent
society.

I don't think these two value-memes are contradictory, on the
contrary, I believe a healthy society needs both. Perhaps it's a
question of emphasis, where cultures can learn from each other. Which,
of course, assumes that they are prepared to listen.

Francis

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