perhaps you are feeling the oneness common to all... On Apr 24, 9:43 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > what about the feeling you get about some people... they are very > familiar but the fact is you never met them before...i dont mean it in > the sense that you have a lot in common with them... its the feeling > of having known.. its really bizzare > > On Apr 19, 4:19 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > One can ascertain the future-somewhat- based on probability but as the > > human species is prone to habit and delusion, it rarely takes this as > > an advantage beforehand but instead smugly watched events unfold and > > declares, "I KNEW this would happen!",etc. This is, imho, in part a > > protective element in our psyches or an early coping mechanism that > > refuses to abate or unsnarl. It is a form of denial, of course. > > > On Apr 19, 5:25 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 16 Apr, 17:08, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is not the future which binds us , even though it is very well > > > > extant ; it is the past and the present which make up our nature. We > > > > act and react in the environment according to our nature and as the > > > > environment itself is an unfolding of the cosmos everything is certain > > > > and all the choices of will though free are yet subtly bound. > > > > Whilst I see what you're saying, we are bound by those events which > > > are, relatively, events of our own future. You're correct that our > > > 'nature' enters into this and binds us in programmatical ways, as does > > > our nurture, but the overarching bind is performed by those acts/ > > > events which are extant in space-time. Those acts which are in space- > > > time WILL be performed, those that are not, will not be (with respect > > > to the past, those events which HAVE happened, have happened, and > > > those which did not, did not). The 'unfolding' of the cosmos is only > > > an apparent unfolding due to our existing on that very edge of the > > > expansion of space-time, which is the only place where movement (in > > > the form of its expansion) of space-time exists, thus the only place > > > available where experiences can 'occur'. The rest of the events are > > > either locked into the past or locked into the future. Only at that > > > 'edge of expansion' can we perceive a movement of space-time, thus, a > > > perception of a flow to time and the perception of spatial objects > > > moving through space. All our 'choices' are simply events. And those > > > events in the future are incalculable, thus shrouded in mystery and, > > > apparently 'free'. But those events are just as extant as any in the > > > past. The difference is that we have some access to past events via > > > memory. Yet, our memories can be faulty and we never remember things > > > down to the quantum level, so they serve as only a rough guide rather > > > than a decent predictor. And, none of us have access to the entirety > > > of space-time that has passed, thus preventing us from ever accurately > > > predicting the future. > > > > > On Apr 16, 4:58 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Apr, 20:21, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > We are free to think and act but our choice is bound subtly to > > > > > > motivating forces within and outside us. > > > > > > Moreso by the Space-time continuum itself, as it contains, by > > > > > definition, ALL of space and time with nothing missing. Thus, the > > > > > future is just as much extant as is the past; the difference is that > > > > > we have a 'memory' of the past but have no such devise that allows us > > > > > to view the future. Imagine what we would think of free will if we > > > > > had access to the future but none to the past. Or just no access > > > > > either way. Time-blindedness affects us in very subtle ways and our > > > > > lack of ability to see into the future makes us believe that the > > > > > future is not extant or 'fixed' yet. But that was debunked by Special > > > > > Relativity in 1905. It's a shame that most of humanity refuses to > > > > > accept the philosophical implications of SR. > > > > > > I would re-word your statement above to read: (It appears that) we are > > > > > free to think and act but our choice is bound (by the events already > > > > > extant in the space-time continuum). > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 6:04 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Everything we do is predetermined? That is cow dung at its best. > > > > > > > > We have choice, the world is totally diverse, while some are into > > > > > > > mass > > > > > > > killing others are into basking in the warm sun on a tropical > > > > > > > beach. > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 11:33 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Everything we do is predetermined, but we are the agents and > > > > > > > > as such > > > > > > > > what all of us are doing is changing and shaping the future. > > > > > > > > All the > > > > > > > > sciences are a result of human endeavour, if people are > > > > > > > > prolonging > > > > > > > > death through bypass surgery and the rest it is due to concerted > > > > > > > > action. For any cogent action a basic belief that we are free is > > > > > > > > required, then only can there be zest and enthusiasm in life. > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > only when we cosider ourselves to be free that we can hold > > > > > > > > anyone to > > > > > > > > be accountable , otherwise there is no sense in life. No matter > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > much bound a person considers himself to be , he is happy in his > > > > > > > > triumphs and sad in his failures.My will may be bound but when I > > > > > > > > act , it is I who am acting and thus to all intents and > > > > > > > > purposes I am > > > > > > > > free. What all the individuals are doing today is deciding the > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > to a very large extent. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 11:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > “i think it works both ways....we alter the 'cause' and so > > > > > > > > > alter the > > > > > > > > > 'effect'....” – PSK > > > > > > > > > > At first glance, I rebel at the notion PSK. Yet, perhaps if > > > > > > > > > you broke > > > > > > > > > it down somewhat…and showed us exactly how this works, I > > > > > > > > > might be able > > > > > > > > > to change my view. > > > > > > > > > > Today I was contemplating this very thing. I found that it > > > > > > > > > was not my > > > > > > > > > will that caused my body to be born. Nor was it my will to > > > > > > > > > invent the > > > > > > > > > very language nor any of the words or concepts we are using > > > > > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > > discussion either. It is not my will to even survive…even > > > > > > > > > though this > > > > > > > > > too is ‘innate’ in the sense that an organism’s function is > > > > > > > > > to live > > > > > > > > > and survive. > > > > > > > > > > Many (me included) embrace the notion that at “the beginning” > > > > > > > > > everything was set in motion and all was and is > > > > > > > > > predetermined. Yes, > > > > > > > > > this is only one form of teleology, but it’s apropos to our > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > So, again, perhaps some unpacking of how ‘we’ in fact do > > > > > > > > > stuff i.e. > > > > > > > > > “alter the ‘cause’”, OK? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 10:11 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > i think it works both ways....we alter the 'cause' and so > > > > > > > > > > alter the > > > > > > > > > > 'effect'.... > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:49 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So PSK, you believe that there is no cause and > > > > > > > > > > > effect?...that somehow > > > > > > > > > > > 'we' can actually change the apparent progression of > > > > > > > > > > > events? > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting.... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 1:20 am, "pol.science kid" > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > all your posts seem to say one thing " nothings new.. > > > > > > > > > > > > wat has been... > > > > > > > > > > > > has been and will be" ... kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:29 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…which makes us enemies of each other The state is > > > > > > > > > > > > > now bigger than us > > > > > > > > > > > > > mortal beings…” – PSK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet again, I just don’t see it. How is ‘the state’ > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger today than > > > > > > > > > > > > > in, say, the days of Rome?...of ancient Egypt? And, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not so sure it > > > > > > > > > > > > > has to do with size either. I’m guessing the issue is > > > > > > > > > > > > > perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > power. . . which, again, I just don’t see as being > > > > > > > > > > > > > any more or less > > > > > > > > > > > > > than has been reported in the past > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:56 am, "pol.science kid" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the last post an evolved Mind was being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed…here’s what I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think…(it lacks structure...and very naive but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > patient ...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mind continues to evolve….It is a manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the much > > > > > > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Process...The process from which we source the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation of > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. When one sees oneself in isolation from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Process arise the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existential tendencies... An evolved mind I suppose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is one with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open eye...the Minds eye... (One of the reasons I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love this group is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great name)…to put it simply there is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher self and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lower self inside everyone...we are constantly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pulled down by our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visceral and basic tendencies (lower self)...and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not everyone cares > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realize their higher self..I guess that’s why great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinkers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > past incorporated their ideas into simple doctrines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to follow because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they certainly had an idea of an evolved and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightened society but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also knew that not every person is a philosopher so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was propagated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as religion a lifestyle which would earn you great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > dividends… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course over time it got corrupted as a means of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > monopolizing power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over society by a learned few..That is one of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main problems of > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society today…we tend to forget the basic idea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind everything…and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let > > > ... > > > read more » > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
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