Ultimately, as we have realized the One within our individuality, our choices are the choices of the One, our self will becomes Divine Will. ---Molly
Our will can never become the divine will and a person who thinks that his will has become the divine will is suffering from grandiose delusions and to all intents and purposes he is insane.----RP On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > your sneer is showing. I will leave what Pat knows and doesn't up to > Pat. But will say, like relative and absolute, One and Many, choice > is a matter of state and stage of being. Ultimately, as we have > realized the One within our individuality, our choices are the choices > of the One, our self will becomes Divine Will. Yet, the choice to > realize the One, to move toward, with or against others, to use > hateful words or compassionate words, to make the move to understand > or not, are all the relative choices that allow us to realize > ourselves as One in Many. The paradox of it, is that we have choice > and non choice and ultimately, they are the same because when we have > realized infinite possibility, we have made all choices and so no > choices. How many people do you know that have realized infinite > possibility (Christ consciousness)? Anyone capable of moving against > another person, has not. This realization, like all others, requires > a change in viewpoint (that is a choice) that precludes such action. > > On Jun 3, 6:44 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > ...even Pat knows this! > > > > On Jun 3, 12:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > so, you don't choose the words you put into your posts? > > > > > On Jun 3, 1:49 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > All choice is an illusion. > > > > Cynicism is but ignorance as to the true nature of things > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:20 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > we choose our words, our thoughts and emotions. But as you say, > when > > > > > we are "in the equipoise way" those choices are self evident and, > as > > > > > DWB points out, only Brahaman. Cynicism will not get us there. > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 12:40 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Being aware that there is no choice to be made and remaining in > > > > > > equipoise is the way. > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Making the choice to be neither, yet embracing all those that > are, as > > > > > > > essential to the One, is the means to escaping the slavery we > each > > > > > > > impose on ourselves. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 5:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Those who dominate are actually slaves to their own lower > nature. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 12:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Molly is right. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:33 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Such confidence is rarely seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 3:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > we all use it, you are no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 1:57 pm, ornamentalmind < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** assumes the royal 'we' is being used *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 4:43 am, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the > ' good - at > > > > > > > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see, like toning down anger with more anger. > Yes, this can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > effective, but only if our counter anger is seen in > truth by us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Often, in such situations, instead of one person > lovingly using the > > > > > > > > > > > > > affect of anger to tone down another into a more > rational state, we > > > > > > > > > > > > > get two people raging at one another. And like > force, this rarely > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trick to it would be, I suppose, that our > judgment of another be > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely clear, devoid of all self serving > agenda, shining like the > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun at high noon, without shadow. Often, we do not > recognize that it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not until the words are already spoken and the > damage done. More > > > > > > > > > > > > > often, we donn the suit of the warrior out to > squash wrong in another > > > > > > > > > > > > > with our sword of love and come to find that > indeed, we have picked > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sword of self interest instead, and are > ultimately at war with > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves, only recognizing it in other when our > own shadow turns the > > > > > > > > > > > > > mirror to darkness. Thus, humility has its way > with us, and the > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > is restored. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that one big clue as to which is which is > the language that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose, even in our own thoughts. If we are > looking to expose and > > > > > > > > > > > > > condemn with references of evil and harsh words, we > are usually > > > > > > > > > > > > > quelling our own ghosts. When we are reaching out > with compassion > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding other in the greater good, we are moving in > compassion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when we are revved up with emotion, > we sometimes don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > stop to determine the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 8:40 am, vamadevananda < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't the whole thing, Molly ! Sometimes, as > they say, God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing, we need to take on a greater arrogance > to put the ' good - > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place. Out of sheer love of > the other, if I > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > add. It usually is on account of forgetfulness > and the treatment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serves to shake things up in a moment or for a > day or week, for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protagonist to reflect and realise the simplest > of truths he'd come > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transgress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll all have the time and occasion to come > together when we can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate or deprecate our bodies, talk of our > feelings and > > > > > > > > > > emotions, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our thoughts and ideas, and our knowledge, with > the full awareness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is the others who are making it possible. > Occasionally too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the knowledge comes to resonate among two or may > people. That's the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing beyond par ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But force - creating such resonance is not only > futile but > > > > > > > > > > damaging, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even traumatic, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 5:05 pm, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogance can be offputting. My experience is, > that it is > > > > > > > > > > usually, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one way or another, shattered by humility. > Experience has a way > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving this to us in the most surprising ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 3:27 am, vamadevananda < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " But how do we know that someone else is not > just exploring a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular phase in their overall integrity, > and may find > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow to move them beyond ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As PSK said, by the rigidity, definitiveness > and finality in > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public declarations. The evangelists and > extremists do that, so > > > > > > > > > > do the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doom - sayers ! It is the damage by such > declarations that > > > > > > > > > > must be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preempted, if we may. The moving beyond, as > the 2012 doom > > > > > > > > > > sayers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly will, is in the future, having > nothing to mitigate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damages and scarring one is causing today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Why is it important to judge a person's > view as closed or > > > > > > > > > > open ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because closed views are like stagnant, > unreplenished, waters > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filthy and poisonous ! The open view is > above all about the > > > > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of what is factual, experiential, deductive > or extrapolatory, > > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however reasonable to oneself, and > conjectural. It's important > > > > > > > > > > to keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a hold on oneself, and not miss out or > obfuscate these > > > > > > > > > > qualifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truths pertaining to our thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once thoughts are shared in such open spirit, > we do not > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourself and our thought as privileged or > overridingly more > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than that of other ( well meaning or like > endowed ) > > > > > > > > > > individuals. You'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find the dialogues which then proceed to be > relatively free of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desperation and violence, not to speak of the > human ' joys, > > > > > > > > > > laughters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and flirtations ' fostered by our readiness > to appreciate the ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanings ' of what our interlocutors offer. > In short, we remain > > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst others ... not seekers or claimants > of privileged > > > > > > > > > > status or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 10:12 pm, Molly < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "those who do not rise and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but > chilling like lords > > > > > > > > > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure > that is deified > > > > > > > > > > but only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding > self - importance." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can we possibly judge whether someone > else is doing as > > > > > > > > > > you say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here, or merely in the midst of current > exploration and > > > > > > > > > > integration? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all, we all take our studies in > phases. Being open and > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of wonder is important, I agree. But > how do we know > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone else is not just exploring a > particular phase in > > > > > > > > > > their overall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integrity, and may find something tomorrow > to move them > > > > > > > > > > beyond? Why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it important to judge a person's view as > closed or open? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 4:55 am, vamadevananda < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
