Okay ... though my use of the word content has been misinterpreted by you as meaning " content with wat we have ! " What I meant was settled, as in knowing even when facing the unknown, confident even when apprehensive or fearful, happy even while wanting, ... and so on ... which comes from knowing life and our self very intimately, over long time scales, in that everything passes yielding knowledge to the aware and fully alert intellect, leaving nothing for the subconscious and ourself free, unencumbered, more empowered.
The fact is that, in common with other animals, we are Body - Food - Sex - Emotion - Subconscious - Power seeking and Willful beings. No amount of family, formal education, money, position, status, marriage, age ... and everything else ... is ever going to change that primary fact. Engage all we might to satisfy ourselves, the hunger would return in 5 minutes, hours or days, weeks, months or years. The repetitive phenomena is so obvious, an entire economy is busy spicing things up for us, our body, food and sex, with the money and power we have, to meet our desires, willfulness, whims or caprices. This Emotion - Subconsciousness - Will arrangement is natural, as in it is provided in nature, largely reflexive or involuntary, situational or ' seasonal,' primarily to serve our survival and procreational ends. But even this cyclic routine is accompanied with consequences, also obvious to the alert self, which then begins to doubt, think and question, through all the emotion filled experiences : happy, sad, pleasant, miserable, found, lost. That's when we are identified with the mind, in which the thinking processes take place, in which ideas get formed, both of the objects we physically - emotionally need and of our experiences, and hence of ourself. This is as far as Duryodhana would evolve, when he confesses : O Krishna, it's not that I do not know what is right or wrong, good and bad. It's just that I cannot help myself to what is right, what is good, and choose the wrong and the bad instead. He exemplifies the Outside - In processes, in mental beings, as Molly so often reminds us. Arjuna's evolution takes another path : when Knowledge and Understanding become the primary characterstic of our being ... It's too late in the night, Kid ... maybe some other time. Or, better still, come over and spend a weekend participating in The Meaning Workshop ! On Jun 22, 1:49 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > .. you said that we often spend our lives with fear and a feeling of > nothingness and doubt.. and that we'd rather be self content with wat we > have... thats wat i was trying to tell you...this whole experience... my > experience(limited as it may be)..of the world .. being a part of it...and > of everything that constitutes it.. comes to me with a great force...you > know if i was just better at explaining things my proffesors would grade me > better;-) > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:11 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > " uh... i was just hoping to get an explanation about its occurence > > thats all.. really " > > > My apologies, Kid, for having offered a suggestion rather powerfully, > > when you were not only not looking for one but were actually looking > > for something entirely different. > > > " it all(everything) and no matter how little it may be now...in all > > its completeness and enormity... comes in a vertiginous sensation to > > me..and i kinda enjoy it " > > > This is not decodable, Kid ! What is " all ( everything )" ? And, how > > is it " little " now ? What completeness and enormity ... comes in a > > vertiginous sensation ? > > > On Jun 22, 1:20 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I dont know vam...it all(everything) and no matter how little it may be > > > now...in all its completeness and enormity... comes in a vertiginous > > > sensation to me..and i kinda enjoy it > > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:25 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > Hey, Kid, are you meaning the mere idea or the real one ? Which > > > > parallel universe are you referring to ? There are trillions of them, > > > > you know ! > > > > > On the other hand, the one created for and by you, is the most > > > > important one ... isn't it ? What are you doing about that ... all > > > > those unknowns in it, subconscious in it, mental in it ... spewing > > > > dissatisfactions, incompletions, inadequacies, nothingnesses, doubts, > > > > fears, false but necessary dogmas, those horribly misplaced ideas and > > > > beliefs you have of yourself ... etc. ... continuing, from god knows > > > > when, to god knows when ... leaving you stranded really, wanting, > > > > unsure, preoccupied, dark ... ... > > > > > Sorry ... that was my way of suggesting that we all ought to get more > > > > real about ourselves, more knowing and clear in our actions, being > > > > less and less mental, with less and less subconscious, more happy and > > > > content, more self - empowered to infuse strength and cheer among > > > > those about us, more battle ready against that wrong thrust upon us, > > > > more free of want and dissatisfaction and fear ... well, that does > > > > perhaps seem like a trillion mile journey, but no worries, we only > > > > need to concern ourselves with just the one that needs to be taken > > > > now ! > > > > > We are the Work In Progress, or Regress. Yes, I am talking about us. > > > > What's more important than that ! > > > > > On Jun 22, 12:10 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So how does the idea of parallel uiverse figure in the already > > decided > > > > chain > > > > > of events? > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Pat < > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 18 June, 13:09, "[email protected]" < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes RP I agree. > > > > > > > > We do it seems have much choice, and we do indeed often have > > none. > > > > > > > > An accident, will change the choices that we have and so the > > choices > > > > > > > that we make. The future is not defined, > > > > > > > Einstein proved that incorrect 105 years ago. Proved! Since then, > > it > > > > > > has never been disproved, rather, only supported. There is truth, > > > > > > though, in your words...the word 'seems'. It seems that we have > > > > > > choices. That IS true. But it is an illusion. And I KNOW we > > don't > > > > > > want to go 'round and round' this again. Do we? LOL!! ;-) > > > > > > > >both human choice and > > > > > > > circumstances beyond our control for which we have no choices to > > > > make, > > > > > > > go a loong way in deciding what our futures will be. > > > > > > > > On 17 June, 21:07, hassan yacoub <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > no we are not bound by the future but the future is bound by > > our > > > > > > present and > > > > > > > > it is affected by what we do now and whatever we choice and it > > is > > > > too > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > future )a result of the present and this future depends upon > > the > > > > effort > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > do we try and we may succeed or not we try to do our best and > > as > > > > much > > > > > > as we > > > > > > > > are strong in mind and in body and educated well by good > > knowledge > > > > we > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > succeed and our action be right even right in a place may be > > wrong > > > > some > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:46 AM, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pat says that we are bound by the future and our choices are > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > those which result in a particular future event. I beg to > > differ > > > > and > > > > > > > > > believe that our present actions are the result of our > > effort > > > > and > > > > > > > > > endeavour, but our effort is bound by our physical and > > > > psychological > > > > > > > > > motives in reaction to the present nature of the environment. > > > > That > > > > > > > > > what we do becomes definite doesn't change the nature of > > actions. > > > > We > > > > > > > > > try to change ourselves and act with a resolve to create a > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > future , and that future is an effect of our actions and not > > > > > > > > > viceversa. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > hi to all- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > -- > > > \--/ Peace > > -- > \--/ Peace
