Why do you call gabby Donna?? On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM, vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote:
> You've judged prematurely, Donna ! > > Evolving ( in one's knowledge and understanding, and empowerment ) > does NOT equate " correcting the meaning making process." > > And yes, as suggested by you, I'm asking you : What is the heart of > the matter ? And, what gets there ? > > > On Jun 22, 1:01 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > Working on correcting the meaning making process doesn't get to the > > heart of the matter, if you would ask me, my dear friend. ;-) > > > > On 21 Jun., 23:54, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay ... though my use of the word content has been misinterpreted by > > > you as meaning " content with wat we have ! " What I meant was > > > settled, as in knowing even when facing the unknown, confident even > > > when apprehensive or fearful, happy even while wanting, ... and so > > > on ... which comes from knowing life and our self very intimately, > > > over long time scales, in that everything passes yielding knowledge to > > > the aware and fully alert intellect, leaving nothing for the > > > subconscious and ourself free, unencumbered, more empowered. > > > > > The fact is that, in common with other animals, we are Body - Food - > > > Sex - Emotion - Subconscious - Power seeking and Willful beings. No > > > amount of family, formal education, money, position, status, marriage, > > > age ... and everything else ... is ever going to change that primary > > > fact. Engage all we might to satisfy ourselves, the hunger would > > > return in 5 minutes, hours or days, weeks, months or years. The > > > repetitive phenomena is so obvious, an entire economy is busy spicing > > > things up for us, our body, food and sex, with the money and power we > > > have, to meet our desires, willfulness, whims or caprices. This > > > Emotion - Subconsciousness - Will arrangement is natural, as in it is > > > provided in nature, largely reflexive or involuntary, situational or ' > > > seasonal,' primarily to serve our survival and procreational ends. > > > > > But even this cyclic routine is accompanied with consequences, also > > > obvious to the alert self, which then begins to doubt, think and > > > question, through all the emotion filled experiences : happy, sad, > > > pleasant, miserable, found, lost. That's when we are identified with > > > the mind, in which the thinking processes take place, in which ideas > > > get formed, both of the objects we physically - emotionally need and > > > of our experiences, and hence of ourself. > > > > > This is as far as Duryodhana would evolve, when he confesses : O > > > Krishna, it's not that I do not know what is right or wrong, good and > > > bad. It's just that I cannot help myself to what is right, what is > > > good, and choose the wrong and the bad instead. He exemplifies the > > > Outside - In processes, in mental beings, as Molly so often reminds > > > us. > > > > > Arjuna's evolution takes another path : when Knowledge and > > > Understanding become the primary characterstic of our being ... > > > > > It's too late in the night, Kid ... maybe some other time. Or, better > > > still, come over and spend a weekend participating in The Meaning > > > Workshop ! > > > > > On Jun 22, 1:49 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > .. you said that we often spend our lives with fear and a feeling of > > > > nothingness and doubt.. and that we'd rather be self content with wat > we > > > > have... thats wat i was trying to tell you...this whole experience... > my > > > > experience(limited as it may be)..of the world .. being a part of > it...and > > > > of everything that constitutes it.. comes to me with a great > force...you > > > > know if i was just better at explaining things my proffesors would > grade me > > > > better;-) > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:11 AM, vamadevananda < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > " uh... i was just hoping to get an explanation about its occurence > > > > > thats all.. really " > > > > > > > My apologies, Kid, for having offered a suggestion rather > powerfully, > > > > > when you were not only not looking for one but were actually > looking > > > > > for something entirely different. > > > > > > > " it all(everything) and no matter how little it may be now...in > all > > > > > its completeness and enormity... comes in a vertiginous sensation > to > > > > > me..and i kinda enjoy it " > > > > > > > This is not decodable, Kid ! What is " all ( everything )" ? And, > how > > > > > is it " little " now ? What completeness and enormity ... comes in > a > > > > > vertiginous sensation ? > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 1:20 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > I dont know vam...it all(everything) and no matter how little it > may be > > > > > > now...in all its completeness and enormity... comes in a > vertiginous > > > > > > sensation to me..and i kinda enjoy it > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:25 AM, vamadevananda < > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, Kid, are you meaning the mere idea or the real one ? > Which > > > > > > > parallel universe are you referring to ? There are trillions > of them, > > > > > > > you know ! > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, the one created for and by you, is the most > > > > > > > important one ... isn't it ? What are you doing about that ... > all > > > > > > > those unknowns in it, subconscious in it, mental in it ... > spewing > > > > > > > dissatisfactions, incompletions, inadequacies, nothingnesses, > doubts, > > > > > > > fears, false but necessary dogmas, those horribly misplaced > ideas and > > > > > > > beliefs you have of yourself ... etc. ... continuing, from god > knows > > > > > > > when, to god knows when ... leaving you stranded really, > wanting, > > > > > > > unsure, preoccupied, dark ... ... > > > > > > > > > Sorry ... that was my way of suggesting that we all ought to > get more > > > > > > > real about ourselves, more knowing and clear in our actions, > being > > > > > > > less and less mental, with less and less subconscious, more > happy and > > > > > > > content, more self - empowered to infuse strength and cheer > among > > > > > > > those about us, more battle ready against that wrong thrust > upon us, > > > > > > > more free of want and dissatisfaction and fear ... well, that > does > > > > > > > perhaps seem like a trillion mile journey, but no worries, we > only > > > > > > > need to concern ourselves with just the one that needs to be > taken > > > > > > > now ! > > > > > > > > > We are the Work In Progress, or Regress. Yes, I am talking > about us. > > > > > > > What's more important than that ! > > > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 12:10 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > So how does the idea of parallel uiverse figure in the > already > > > > > decided > > > > > > > chain > > > > > > > > of events? > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Pat < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 June, 13:09, "[email protected]" < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes RP I agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > We do it seems have much choice, and we do indeed often > have > > > > > none. > > > > > > > > > > > > An accident, will change the choices that we have and so > the > > > > > choices > > > > > > > > > > that we make. The future is not defined, > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein proved that incorrect 105 years ago. Proved! > Since then, > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has never been disproved, rather, only supported. There is > truth, > > > > > > > > > though, in your words...the word 'seems'. It seems that we > have > > > > > > > > > choices. That IS true. But it is an illusion. And I KNOW > we > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > want to go 'round and round' this again. Do we? LOL!! > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > >both human choice and > > > > > > > > > > circumstances beyond our control for which we have no > choices to > > > > > > > make, > > > > > > > > > > go a loong way in deciding what our futures will be. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 June, 21:07, hassan yacoub <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > no we are not bound by the future but the future is > bound by > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > present and > > > > > > > > > > > it is affected by what we do now and whatever we choice > and it > > > > > is > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > > future )a result of the present and this future depends > upon > > > > > the > > > > > > > effort > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > do we try and we may succeed or not we try to do our > best and > > > > > as > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > as we > > > > > > > > > > > are strong in mind and in body and educated well by > good > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > succeed and our action be right even right in a place > may be > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:46 AM, RP <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat says that we are bound by the future and our > choices are > > > > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > > > those which result in a particular future event. I > beg to > > > > > differ > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > believe that our present actions are the result of > our > > > > > effort > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > endeavour, but our effort is bound by our physical > and > > > > > > > psychological > > > > > > > > > > > > motives in reaction to the present nature of the > environment. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > what we do becomes definite doesn't change the nature > of > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > try to change ourselves and act with a resolve to > create a > > > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > > > future , and that future is an effect of our actions > and not > > > > > > > > > > > > viceversa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > hi to all- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > -- > > > > \--/ Peace > -- \--/ Peace
