You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). Further that the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to obtain an assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am doomed to experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me that what ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my personal self added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness you claim exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions of ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of spiritual narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into human talk is really saying something like: I know something you don't know and what I know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games with me when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and too bad you don't know it.
-----Original Message----- From: Molly <[email protected]> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes Very good! On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, even for a > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually falling deep > asleep ! > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pray tell. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > > I do. > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are describing - then you > >> can not be certain that > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are accurate. So we > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever you wish and > >> obviously do - but in terms of > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest of us. Or do > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in the manner > > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters unknown. > > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am > > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live for the > > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. > > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: > > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What is the point if all > > >> > is already forgone? > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm > > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all records are > > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to come and > > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the universe is where > > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. > > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of events..involving > > >> the > > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout that.. or isnt > > >> > > > it.. no idea.. > > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! > > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. For me my parallel > > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual things reside, > > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are those things > > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? > > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and future people and > > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this parallel universe > > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual parallel > > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the existence of any > > >> > > > > spiritual things? > > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a parallel > > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one parallel universe I do > > >> > > > > not have a clue. > > >> > > > > My regards > > >> > > > > Manfraco > > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors - Last post: Mar > > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 > > >> > > > > > rp singh ... Minds-Eye Space has infinite layers and in each layer > > >> > > > > > there is a unique universe. Time has no beginning and no end as the > > >> > > > > > past is ... > > >> > > > >http://groups.google.com/g/3517fe0c/t/fca83d2320a90343/d/df18f534e5c8... > > >> > > > > > I wrote about parallel universes in ME as above. I am hearing a lot > > >> > > > > > about parallel universes nowadays whereas when I expounded my belief I > > >> > > > > > was ridiculed. Is it just co-incidence? > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > ASHOK TEWARI > > -- > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
