No one can call his subjective beliefs as knowledge and my beliefs, which to me stand as proved, my opinions and insinuations.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>wrote: > You need only to prove to yourself what you believe my friend. ;) > > On Jul 7, 1:07 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Prove to me and all that you are anything beyond this body as you claim. > > Prove that you can be one with theTruth while still in this body. > Whatever > > you claim is just subjective and cannot be proved. How then can you ask > me > > to prove what I believe? Is that not subjective also? What is God or > Truth? > > Is that also not subjective? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > You speak as if you know. > > > > > Only let know what you know, beyond your opinions and > > > insinuations ! ? > > > > > On Jul 7, 9:16 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a > > > state > > > > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, > awaken > > > > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, > God > > > , > > > > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a > > > > > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you > > > believe is > > > > > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps > you > > > took to > > > > > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point > you > > > will > > > > > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. > However > > > some > > > > > of the process is probably describable. No? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( > for > > > > > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), > because > > > they > > > > > have roots and causes within you. > > > > > > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - > > > inferior > > > > > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up > in. > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from > > > > >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). > Further > > > that > > > > >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to > obtain > > > an > > > > >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am > doomed > > > to > > > > >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me > that > > > what > > > > >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my > personal > > > self > > > > >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness > you > > > claim > > > > >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions > of > > > > >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the > > > > >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of > > > spiritual > > > > >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into > human > > > talk is > > > > >> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and > > > what I > > > > >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games > > > with me > > > > >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and > too > > > bad > > > > >> you don't know it. > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Molly <[email protected]> > > > > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am > > > > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> Very good! > > > > > > >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > > > > > >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, > even > > > for a > > > > > > >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually > > > falling deep > > > > > > >> > asleep ! > > > > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > Pray tell. > > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > > > > > >> > > I do. > > > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are > describing - > > > then you > > > > > > >> > >> can not be certain that > > > > > > >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are > > > accurate. So we > > > > > > >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > > > > > > >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever > you > > > wish and > > > > > > >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of > > > > > > >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest > of > > > us. Or do > > > > > > >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in > the > > > manner > > > > > > >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters > > > unknown. > > > > > > >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > > > > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am > > > > > > >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live > for > > > the > > > > > > >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. > > > > > > >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What > is > > > the point > > > > > > >> if all > > > > > > >> > >> > is already forgone? > > > > > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm > > > > > > >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all > > > records are > > > > > > >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to > come > > > and > > > > > > >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the > universe > > > is where > > > > > > >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. > > > > > > >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of > > > > > > >> events..involving > > > > > > >> > >> the > > > > > > >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout > > > that.. or isnt > > > > > > >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. > For > > > me my > > > > > > >> parallel > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual > things > > > reside, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are > > > those things > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and > future > > > people and > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this > parallel > > > universe > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual > > > parallel > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the > > > existence of any > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a > > > parallel > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one > parallel > > > universe I > > > > > > >> do > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > My regards > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors > - > > > Last post: > > > > > > >> Mar > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... 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