i think we have deviated a lot fom where we started... On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:22 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> No one can call his subjective beliefs as knowledge and my beliefs, which > to me stand as proved, my opinions and insinuations. > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> You need only to prove to yourself what you believe my friend. ;) >> >> On Jul 7, 1:07 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Prove to me and all that you are anything beyond this body as you >> claim. >> > Prove that you can be one with theTruth while still in this body. >> Whatever >> > you claim is just subjective and cannot be proved. How then can you ask >> me >> > to prove what I believe? Is that not subjective also? What is God or >> Truth? >> > Is that also not subjective? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > You speak as if you know. >> > >> > > Only let know what you know, beyond your opinions and >> > > insinuations ! ? >> > >> > > On Jul 7, 9:16 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a >> > > state >> > > > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, >> awaken >> > > > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or >> Truth, God >> > > , >> > > > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. >> > >> > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a >> > > > > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you >> > > believe is >> > > > > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps >> you >> > > took to >> > > > > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point >> you >> > > will >> > > > > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. >> However >> > > some >> > > > > of the process is probably describable. No? >> > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> >> > > > > To: [email protected] >> > > > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> > >> > > > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( >> for >> > > > > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), >> because >> > > they >> > > > > have roots and causes within you. >> > >> > > > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - >> > > inferior >> > > > > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up >> in. >> > >> > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from >> > > > >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). >> Further >> > > that >> > > > >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to >> obtain >> > > an >> > > > >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am >> doomed >> > > to >> > > > >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me >> that >> > > what >> > > > >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my >> personal >> > > self >> > > > >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure >> awareness you >> > > claim >> > > > >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions >> of >> > > > >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the >> > > > >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of >> > > spiritual >> > > > >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into >> human >> > > talk is >> > > > >> really saying something like: I know something you don't know >> and >> > > what I >> > > > >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word >> games >> > > with me >> > > > >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and >> too >> > > bad >> > > > >> you don't know it. >> > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > > >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> > > > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> > > > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am >> > > > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> > >> > > > >> Very good! >> > >> > > > >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. >> > >> > > > >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, >> even >> > > for a >> > >> > > > >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually >> > > falling deep >> > >> > > > >> > asleep ! >> > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > > Pray tell. >> > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > > To: [email protected] >> > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am >> > >> > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> > >> > > > >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" >> > >> > > > >> > > I do. >> > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are >> describing - >> > > then you >> > >> > > > >> > >> can not be certain that >> > >> > > > >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are >> > > accurate. So we >> > >> > > > >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re >> > >> > > > >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever >> you >> > > wish and >> > >> > > > >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of >> > >> > > > >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest >> of >> > > us. Or do >> > >> > > > >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? >> > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am >> > >> > > > >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> > >> > > > >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in >> the >> > > manner >> > >> > > > >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters >> > > unknown. >> > >> > > > >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? >> > >> > > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live >> for >> > > the >> > >> > > > >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What >> is >> > > the point >> > >> > > > >> if all >> > >> > > > >> > >> > is already forgone? >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all >> > > records are >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to >> come >> > > and >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the >> universe >> > > is where >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" < >> [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of >> > >> > > > >> events..involving >> > >> > > > >> > >> the >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout >> > > that.. or isnt >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder >> > >> > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. >> For >> > > me my >> > >> > > > >> parallel >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual >> things >> > > reside, >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are >> > > those things >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and >> future >> > > people and >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this >> parallel >> > > universe >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a >> spiritual >> > > parallel >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the >> > > existence of any >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a >> > > parallel >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one >> parallel >> > > universe I >> > >> > > > >> do >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > My regards >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Manfraco >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors >> - >> > > Last post: >> > >> > > > >> Mar >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... Minds-Eye Space has infinite >> > >> > > > ... >> > >> > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > -- \--/ Peace
