The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a state of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, awaken state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, God , Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you believe is > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps you took to > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point you will > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. However some > of the process is probably describable. No? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( for > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), because they > have roots and causes within you. > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - inferior > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up in. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). Further that >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to obtain an >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am doomed to >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me that what >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my personal self >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness you claim >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions of >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of spiritual >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into human talk is >> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and what I >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games with me >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and too bad >> you don't know it. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> >> Very good! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, even for a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually falling deep >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > asleep ! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Pray tell. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > I do. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are describing - then >> > >> you >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> can not be certain that >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are accurate. So we >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever you wish >> > >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest of us. Or >> > >> do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in the manner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters unknown. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live for the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What is the >> > >> > > point >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > is already forgone? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all records are >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to come and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the universe is >> > >> > > where >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> events..involving >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout that.. or >> > >> > > > isnt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. For me my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> parallel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual things reside, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are those >> > >> > > > > things >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and future people >> > >> > > > > and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this parallel >> > >> > > > > universe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual parallel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the existence of >> > >> > > > > any >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a parallel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one parallel universe >> > >> > > > > I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > My regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > Manfraco >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors - Last >> > >> > > > > > post: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... Minds-Eye Space has infinite layers and in each >> >> >> >> >> >> >> layer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > there is a unique universe. Time has no beginning and no end >> > >> > > > > > as >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > past is ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > >http://groups.google.com/g/3517fe0c/t/fca83d2320a90343/d/df18f534e5c8... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > I wrote about parallel universes in ME as above. I am hearing >> > >> > > > > > a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lot >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > about parallel universes nowadays whereas when I expounded my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> belief I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > was ridiculed. Is it just co-incidence? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ASHOK TEWARI >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > ASHOK TEWARI >
