You speak as if you know. Only let know what you know, beyond your opinions and insinuations ! ?
On Jul 7, 9:16 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a state > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, awaken > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, God , > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a > > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you believe is > > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps you took to > > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point you will > > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. However some > > of the process is probably describable. No? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( for > > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), because they > > have roots and causes within you. > > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - inferior > > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up in. > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from > >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). Further that > >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to obtain an > >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am doomed to > >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me that what > >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my personal self > >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness you > >> claim > >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions of > >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the > >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of spiritual > >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into human talk is > >> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and what I > >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games with me > >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and too bad > >> you don't know it. > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Molly <[email protected]> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> Very good! > > >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, even for > >> > a > > >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually falling > >> > deep > > >> > asleep ! > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Pray tell. > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > >> > > I do. > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are describing - then > >> > >> you > > >> > >> can not be certain that > > >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are accurate. So > >> > >> we > > >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > > >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever you wish > >> > >> and > > >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of > > >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest of us. > >> > >> Or do > > >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > > >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in the manner > > >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters unknown. > > >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am > > >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live for the > > >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. > > >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: > > >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What is the > >> > >> > > point > > >> if all > > >> > >> > is already forgone? > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm > > >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all records > >> > >> > > are > > >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to come and > > >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the universe is > >> > >> > > where > > >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. > > >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of > > >> events..involving > > >> > >> the > > >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout that.. > >> > >> > > > or isnt > > >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! > > >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. For me my > > >> parallel > > >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual things reside, > > >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are those > >> > >> > > > > things > > >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? > > >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and future > >> > >> > > > > people and > > >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this parallel > >> > >> > > > > universe > > >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual parallel > > >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the existence > >> > >> > > > > of any > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? > > >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a parallel > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one parallel > >> > >> > > > > universe I > > >> do > > >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. > > >> > >> > > > > My regards > > >> > >> > > > > Manfraco > > >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors - Last > >> > >> > > > > > post: > > >> Mar > > >> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 > > >> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... 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