Prove to me and all that you are anything beyond this body as you claim. Prove that you can be one with theTruth while still in this body. Whatever you claim is just subjective and cannot be proved. How then can you ask me to prove what I believe? Is that not subjective also? What is God or Truth? Is that also not subjective?
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > You speak as if you know. > > Only let know what you know, beyond your opinions and > insinuations ! ? > > On Jul 7, 9:16 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a > state > > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, awaken > > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, God > , > > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a > > > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you > believe is > > > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps you > took to > > > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point you > will > > > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. However > some > > > of the process is probably describable. No? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( for > > > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), because > they > > > have roots and causes within you. > > > > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - > inferior > > > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up in. > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from > > >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). Further > that > > >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to obtain > an > > >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am doomed > to > > >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me that > what > > >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my personal > self > > >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness you > claim > > >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions of > > >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the > > >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of > spiritual > > >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into human > talk is > > >> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and > what I > > >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games > with me > > >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and too > bad > > >> you don't know it. > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Molly <[email protected]> > > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am > > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> Very good! > > > > >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > > > >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, even > for a > > > > >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually > falling deep > > > > >> > asleep ! > > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > Pray tell. > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > > > >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > > > >> > > I do. > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are describing - > then you > > > > >> > >> can not be certain that > > > > >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are > accurate. So we > > > > >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > > > > >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever you > wish and > > > > >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of > > > > >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest of > us. Or do > > > > >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > > > > >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in the > manner > > > > >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters > unknown. > > > > >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am > > > > >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live for > the > > > > >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. > > > > >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What is > the point > > > > >> if all > > > > >> > >> > is already forgone? > > > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm > > > > >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all > records are > > > > >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to come > and > > > > >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the universe > is where > > > > >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. > > > > >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of > > > > >> events..involving > > > > >> > >> the > > > > >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout > that.. or isnt > > > > >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. > > > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! > > > > >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. For > me my > > > > >> parallel > > > > >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual things > reside, > > > > >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are > those things > > > > >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? > > > > >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and future > people and > > > > >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this parallel > universe > > > > >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual > parallel > > > > >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the > existence of any > > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a > parallel > > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one parallel > universe I > > > > >> do > > > > >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. > > > > >> > >> > > > > My regards > > > > >> > >> > > > > Manfraco > > > > >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors - > Last post: > > > > >> Mar > > > > >> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 > > > > >> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... 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