I see it differently, Gruff. Fear or Domination/Control? Maintenance of an Unconditional Male Ruled society? It is assumptive on any level to project fear into cultural mores that inhibit the social growth of a class whether based on religious dictate or established social strata. In any case the individual cultures require a more scrutinized examination. I doubt that primordial child birthing initiated some form of kolpophobic reaction among the male species. I tend to focus more on the male instinctual nature of 'taking by force' whether driven by sexual need, desire or intentional progenatorship. One male could easily have taken on a harem of delicate sweetlings and impregnated all while the opposite is not true. An island with 100 women to one male produces many offspring while an island of 100 men to one female produces only a few, if she lives through it. This is the basic core of what all female species represent, complimentary in nature. Naturally Lederer would have to dig down deep into the past beyond our modern day notions and influences in order to purport such a view which is still subject of much skepticism. The dividing line I think is the female ability to navigate or circumvent male domination through beauty, charm and sensuality, which has been the successful M O for thousands of years. Let's face it, throughout history and still today, fat ugly women don't get elevated to the higher echelons of society. Men strive for beautiful women and women know it; a cognitive tid bit of feminine understanding that has been a formidable tool and one that has fueled the cosmetic/fashion industry for eons. Fear is not the primary motivation, though I will not discount your recognition of the existence of sexophobias including andro and gyno phobias. There are those who will exhibit these traits but it should be noted that these may not be indicators of an innate sense but could possibly be due to complexities involving social and environmental issues stemming from early developmental stages. Young boys are still growing up as dominators and young girls are still deferring to their boyfriends. Changing laws does not change fundamental nature, I could refer to Darwinian principals of sexual selection, which is as prevalent in modern time as it has been throughout history. Perhaps we've evolved to a point of sympathetic understandings towards society's weak and impoverished which extends within the realm of sexual attitude but I personally see that trend being a detriment to the advancement of a truly civilized world. As the dregs of society are increasing in number and dominating once passive societies the evidence clearly is revealing the increase of crime, violence and moronic behavior. The phrase 'all men are created equal' is shear bullshit.
On Jul 11, 12:30 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > "... On Jul 10, 8:14 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > I tend to disagree with the view that men fear > > women. I think it is the other way around due to centuries of male > > domination and the reality that it could all go backwards at any given > > time especially following a catastrophic global event that cripples > > the modern world, cut off communication and laid waste to the world as > > we know it now. In such a chaotic situation women would fall back a > > few hundred years. Women are capable of learning but the truth is > > that if women were the leaders of the world they purport to be they > > would have ruled the world centuries ago. Men forged the world since > > our primordial beginnings. Women are where they are today only due to > > political maneuvering. > > Those eons of suppression and domination are Lederer's largest piece > of evidence for the fact that men fear women. > > I can easily imagine back in the cave dwelling days -- these early > humans had no idea what caused a woman to grow a child -- it was all > very unknown, mysterious and very fearful to the men. So the > suppression and domination began and has grown ever since. > > Consider the Muslim world where women are so feared they are not > allowed to talk to any men but their own immediate family, they are > forced to cover their bodies from head to toe but for a small slit for > her eyes. They are not permitted to become educated and the Taliban > even burn and stone young girls to death who try to become educated. > Have you ever seen such a fearful group of men? > > I'm pretty certain Lederer is on to something valid.
