Nice essay Slip. Although I say fear plays a role for both sexes. In defense of Muslims and cavemen, I think much of this dominance may come from a desire to protect the weaker sex. Protect and preserve for our selfish benefit, of course, but protect all the same. It's a fear of loss I think.
Just to add a wrinkle to the discussion. dj On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I see it differently, Gruff. Fear or Domination/Control? > Maintenance of an Unconditional Male Ruled society? It is assumptive > on any level to project fear into cultural mores that inhibit the > social growth of a class whether based on religious dictate or > established social strata. In any case the individual cultures > require a more scrutinized examination. I doubt that primordial child > birthing initiated some form of kolpophobic reaction among the male > species. I tend to focus more on the male instinctual nature of > 'taking by force' whether driven by sexual need, desire or intentional > progenatorship. One male could easily have taken on a harem of > delicate sweetlings and impregnated all while the opposite is not > true. An island with 100 women to one male produces many offspring > while an island of 100 men to one female produces only a few, if she > lives through it. This is the basic core of what all female species > represent, complimentary in nature. Naturally Lederer would have to > dig down deep into the past beyond our modern day notions and > influences in order to purport such a view which is still subject of > much skepticism. The dividing line I think is the female ability to > navigate or circumvent male domination through beauty, charm and > sensuality, which has been the successful M O for thousands of years. > Let's face it, throughout history and still today, fat ugly women > don't get elevated to the higher echelons of society. Men strive for > beautiful women and women know it; a cognitive tid bit of feminine > understanding that has been a formidable tool and one that has fueled > the cosmetic/fashion industry for eons. Fear is not the primary > motivation, though I will not discount your recognition of the > existence of sexophobias including andro and gyno phobias. There are > those who will exhibit these traits but it should be noted that these > may not be indicators of an innate sense but could possibly be due to > complexities involving social and environmental issues stemming from > early developmental stages. Young boys are still growing up as > dominators and young girls are still deferring to their boyfriends. > Changing laws does not change fundamental nature, I could refer to > Darwinian principals of sexual selection, which is as prevalent in > modern time as it has been throughout history. Perhaps we've evolved > to a point of sympathetic understandings towards society's weak and > impoverished which extends within the realm of sexual attitude but I > personally see that trend being a detriment to the advancement of a > truly civilized world. As the dregs of society are increasing in > number and dominating once passive societies the evidence clearly is > revealing the increase of crime, violence and moronic behavior. The > phrase 'all men are created equal' is shear bullshit. > > On Jul 11, 12:30 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > "... On Jul 10, 8:14 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > > > I tend to disagree with the view that men fear > > > women. I think it is the other way around due to centuries of male > > > domination and the reality that it could all go backwards at any given > > > time especially following a catastrophic global event that cripples > > > the modern world, cut off communication and laid waste to the world as > > > we know it now. In such a chaotic situation women would fall back a > > > few hundred years. Women are capable of learning but the truth is > > > that if women were the leaders of the world they purport to be they > > > would have ruled the world centuries ago. Men forged the world since > > > our primordial beginnings. Women are where they are today only due to > > > political maneuvering. > > > > Those eons of suppression and domination are Lederer's largest piece > > of evidence for the fact that men fear women. > > > > I can easily imagine back in the cave dwelling days -- these early > > humans had no idea what caused a woman to grow a child -- it was all > > very unknown, mysterious and very fearful to the men. So the > > suppression and domination began and has grown ever since. > > > > Consider the Muslim world where women are so feared they are not > > allowed to talk to any men but their own immediate family, they are > > forced to cover their bodies from head to toe but for a small slit for > > her eyes. They are not permitted to become educated and the Taliban > > even burn and stone young girls to death who try to become educated. > > Have you ever seen such a fearful group of men? > > > > I'm pretty certain Lederer is on to something valid. >
