lee , you have got the point. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:10 AM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote:
> Yep Yep RP, I'm with you all the way on this one. > > When asked (normaly by uneducated atheists) if God created everything > and creatd himself how i s that possible? > > I explain it thusly. > > Before the begining there was only God, God in spirit, God created all > out of Godself, created matter, that which can be measured, seen, > heard, smelt, touched or otherwise contemplated out of the essance or > spirt of Godself. > > Spirt and matter are two differant things, both exist but you can > really only experiance matter, heh that is unless you reconise the > spirit within your self. > > > > > > > > On 20 Aug, 14:54, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > *By nothing I mean the exclusion of all material things and not the > spirit > > that is Atman. > > * > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, DarkwaterBlight > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > That does not imply that everything has come from nothing RP, but > > > rather, all that is, came from SOMETHING that is beyond our > > > comprehension! I do understand how you could view it as you do but you > > > interpretation is exclusively your own. > > > > > On Aug 19, 2:22 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When a little boy asked his guru what is Brahman , the guru said , > O..k. > > > > son tell me all that you know one by one what you know and I will > tell > > > you > > > > what is Brahman. The pupil said , Is it the sun ? Guru 'not this' > The > > > boy > > > > said , 'the river Guru , 'not this. and one by one the boy counted > out > > > all > > > > that he knew and he received the same answer. Ultimately the boy said > , > > > Sir > > > > I have counted out all that I knew and now what is left? Guru smiled > at > > > the > > > > boy and said , Son, it is the one where there is no other.Awareness > > > involves > > > > duality , whereas the truth is non-dual ; where existence or > > > intelligence > > > > is alone the illusion of the world is not there. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:19 AM, ashok tewari < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, RP, I would. > > > > > > > Neti - Neti ... Not this, Not this ... means all that catches my > fancy, > > > in > > > > > the material or mental or intellectual world, which I come to > regard as > > > ' > > > > > God,' as in what I feel or think, what idea or settled knowledge I > come > > > to > > > > > conclude as it, is NOT IT ! > > > > > > > It is not about the universe ... but about about our attachments > and > > > > > limitations. Shankar(acharya) and the Upanishads say ... this very > > > universe > > > > > is Brahman ( sarvam khalvidam brahman ... all this is Brahman ) ... > > > this > > > > > very ego is Brahman ( aham brahmasmi ... I am Brahman ). > > > > > > > Please do not ask for more. I am not a teacher, except to a > student, > > > which > > > > > you are not. > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:41 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> Ashok , you are a Hindu and from what I have gathered of the > advaita > > > fold. > > > > >> What is neti neti > > > > >> Will you please explain to me what it means? > > > > > > >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:54 AM, ashok tewari < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >>> " ... whole universe ... " > > > > > > >>> Which would include what is known to YOU and all that YOU do not > > > know. > > > > > > >>> I'd find it very foolish if I were to negate something I know > nothing > > > > >>> about ! That would be what children are likely to do, wishing in > and > > > wishing > > > > >>> away ... rather meaninglessly ! > > > > > > >>> When Nietzsche found " God is dead," he negates the God in our > > > knowledge, > > > > >>> belief and imagination. Which then becomes meaningful. > > > > > > >>> What does your negation of the " whole universe " mean ? To YOU ? > > > > > > >>> It is easy to talk, RP. It means nothing, if it means nothing to > YOU > > > ! > > > > > > >>> On Aug 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> Everything means the whole universe and if you exist separately > from > > > the > > > > >>>> universe , I , of course , don't include you. > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:49 AM, ashok tewari < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> " By everything is meant everything ..." > > > > > > >>>>> What is " everything " to a child is not the same as what ' > > > everything > > > > >>>>> ' would mean to an adult ... it is only what YOU conceive of > the > > > inclusions > > > > >>>>> ! > > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> I cannot perceive the distant parts of the universe and I > can't > > > even > > > > >>>>>> imagine what they are , but someone out there sees them and > > > doesn't see me. > > > > >>>>>> Does that mean that there are many perceptions and many > negations > > > ., does > > > > >>>>>> it mean you see and I do not see? And I see and you do not > see? > > > Vam , you > > > > >>>>>> are being ridiculous and I am speaking for the idea and not > for > > > you. By > > > > >>>>>> everything is meant everything , all the elements which have a > > > rudimentary > > > > >>>>>> type of consciousness they also are not.The entire universes > are > > > alive in > > > > >>>>>> the sense that there is vibration everywhere and by nothing is > > > meant total > > > > >>>>>> absence of vibration meaning nothing , just the abstract > > > intelligence and > > > > >>>>>> existence. > > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:46 AM, ashok tewari < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> " When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean > the > > > > >>>>>>> negation of everything." > > > > > > >>>>>>> Correction : Everything ... limited to what YOU perceive, > > > experience, > > > > >>>>>>> imagine or know, or can in future. > > > > > > >>>>>>> That would still leave much else ... all that you do not or > > > cannot > > > > >>>>>>> feel, think, imagine or know. Why is it so difficult to > accept > > > this truism > > > > >>>>>>> ? > > > > > > >>>>>>> Search yourself. How can YOU negate what you do not perceive, > > > > >>>>>>> experience, feel, think of, imagine or know ? > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM, RP Singh <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean > the > > > > >>>>>>>> negation of everything. And what is the intelligence which > is > > > nothing or the > > > > >>>>>>>> negation of everything , it is existence. You cannot call > > > existence to exist > > > > >>>>>>>> because it is the basis of that which exist. You read the > > > ancient upanisads > > > > >>>>>>>> and maybe you will have the groundwork that goes into > > > understanding God , > > > > >>>>>>>> Reality , Truth or Atman. I prefer Atman before Brahman > because > > > I don't > > > > >>>>>>>> believe in individual souls. To me we are all just > ahamkaras or > > > egos and > > > > >>>>>>>> have just this lifetime and it is Atman who is in everything > > > animate and > > > > >>>>>>>> inanimate and it is existence and intelligence itself. > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, facilitator < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am back for a bit. Just thought I would give everyone a > > > heads > > > > >>>>>>>>> up. > > > > >>>>>>>>> Something I have allowed to bolster my understanding of the > > > human > > > > >>>>>>>>> condition.....People are messed up. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> "Philosophy is good for nothing, that's good, since nothing > > > doesn't > > > > >>>>>>>>> exist". > > > > >>>>>>>>> (Murray) > > > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>>> ASHOK TEWARI > > > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > >>>>> ASHOK TEWARI > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> ASHOK TEWARI > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
