Yes, RP, I would. Neti - Neti ... Not this, Not this ... means all that catches my fancy, in the material or mental or intellectual world, which I come to regard as ' God,' as in what I feel or think, what idea or settled knowledge I come to conclude as it, is NOT IT !
It is not about the universe ... but about about our attachments and limitations. Shankar(acharya) and the Upanishads say ... this very universe is Brahman ( sarvam khalvidam brahman ... all this is Brahman ) ... this very ego is Brahman ( aham brahmasmi ... I am Brahman ). Please do not ask for more. I am not a teacher, except to a student, which you are not. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:41 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Ashok , you are a Hindu and from what I have gathered of the advaita fold. > What is neti neti > Will you please explain to me what it means? > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:54 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > >> " ... whole universe ... " >> >> Which would include what is known to YOU and all that YOU do not know. >> >> I'd find it very foolish if I were to negate something I know nothing >> about ! That would be what children are likely to do, wishing in and wishing >> away ... rather meaninglessly ! >> >> When Nietzsche found " God is dead," he negates the God in our knowledge, >> belief and imagination. Which then becomes meaningful. >> >> What does your negation of the " whole universe " mean ? To YOU ? >> >> It is easy to talk, RP. It means nothing, if it means nothing to YOU ! >> >> On Aug 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Everything means the whole universe and if you exist separately from the >>> universe , I , of course , don't include you. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:49 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> " By everything is meant everything ..." >>>> >>>> What is " everything " to a child is not the same as what ' everything ' >>>> would mean to an adult ... it is only what YOU conceive of the inclusions ! >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I cannot perceive the distant parts of the universe and I can't even >>>>> imagine what they are , but someone out there sees them and doesn't see >>>>> me. >>>>> Does that mean that there are many perceptions and many negations ., does >>>>> it mean you see and I do not see? And I see and you do not see? Vam , you >>>>> are being ridiculous and I am speaking for the idea and not for you. By >>>>> everything is meant everything , all the elements which have a rudimentary >>>>> type of consciousness they also are not.The entire universes are alive in >>>>> the sense that there is vibration everywhere and by nothing is meant total >>>>> absence of vibration meaning nothing , just the abstract intelligence and >>>>> existence. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:46 AM, ashok tewari >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> " When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the >>>>>> negation of everything." >>>>>> >>>>>> Correction : Everything ... limited to what YOU perceive, experience, >>>>>> imagine or know, or can in future. >>>>>> >>>>>> That would still leave much else ... all that you do not or cannot >>>>>> feel, think, imagine or know. Why is it so difficult to accept this >>>>>> truism >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Search yourself. How can YOU negate what you do not perceive, >>>>>> experience, feel, think of, imagine or know ? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the >>>>>>> negation of everything. And what is the intelligence which is nothing >>>>>>> or the >>>>>>> negation of everything , it is existence. You cannot call existence to >>>>>>> exist >>>>>>> because it is the basis of that which exist. You read the ancient >>>>>>> upanisads >>>>>>> and maybe you will have the groundwork that goes into understanding God >>>>>>> , >>>>>>> Reality , Truth or Atman. I prefer Atman before Brahman because I don't >>>>>>> believe in individual souls. To me we are all just ahamkaras or egos >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> have just this lifetime and it is Atman who is in everything animate and >>>>>>> inanimate and it is existence and intelligence itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, facilitator >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am back for a bit. Just thought I would give everyone a heads up. >>>>>>>> Something I have allowed to bolster my understanding of the human >>>>>>>> condition.....People are messed up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Philosophy is good for nothing, that's good, since nothing doesn't >>>>>>>> exist". >>>>>>>> (Murray) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ASHOK TEWARI >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ASHOK TEWARI >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ASHOK TEWARI >> > > -- ASHOK TEWARI
