That does not imply that everything has come from nothing RP, but rather, all that is, came from SOMETHING that is beyond our comprehension! I do understand how you could view it as you do but you interpretation is exclusively your own.
On Aug 19, 2:22 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > When a little boy asked his guru what is Brahman , the guru said , O..k. > son tell me all that you know one by one what you know and I will tell you > what is Brahman. The pupil said , Is it the sun ? Guru 'not this' The boy > said , 'the river Guru , 'not this. and one by one the boy counted out all > that he knew and he received the same answer. Ultimately the boy said , Sir > I have counted out all that I knew and now what is left? Guru smiled at the > boy and said , Son, it is the one where there is no other.Awareness involves > duality , whereas the truth is non-dual ; where existence or intelligence > is alone the illusion of the world is not there. > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:19 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Yes, RP, I would. > > > Neti - Neti ... Not this, Not this ... means all that catches my fancy, in > > the material or mental or intellectual world, which I come to regard as ' > > God,' as in what I feel or think, what idea or settled knowledge I come to > > conclude as it, is NOT IT ! > > > It is not about the universe ... but about about our attachments and > > limitations. Shankar(acharya) and the Upanishads say ... this very universe > > is Brahman ( sarvam khalvidam brahman ... all this is Brahman ) ... this > > very ego is Brahman ( aham brahmasmi ... I am Brahman ). > > > Please do not ask for more. I am not a teacher, except to a student, which > > you are not. > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:41 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Ashok , you are a Hindu and from what I have gathered of the advaita fold. > >> What is neti neti > >> Will you please explain to me what it means? > > >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:54 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> " ... whole universe ... " > > >>> Which would include what is known to YOU and all that YOU do not know. > > >>> I'd find it very foolish if I were to negate something I know nothing > >>> about ! That would be what children are likely to do, wishing in and > >>> wishing > >>> away ... rather meaninglessly ! > > >>> When Nietzsche found " God is dead," he negates the God in our knowledge, > >>> belief and imagination. Which then becomes meaningful. > > >>> What does your negation of the " whole universe " mean ? To YOU ? > > >>> It is easy to talk, RP. It means nothing, if it means nothing to YOU ! > > >>> On Aug 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Everything means the whole universe and if you exist separately from the > >>>> universe , I , of course , don't include you. > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:49 AM, ashok tewari > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>> " By everything is meant everything ..." > > >>>>> What is " everything " to a child is not the same as what ' everything > >>>>> ' would mean to an adult ... it is only what YOU conceive of the > >>>>> inclusions > >>>>> ! > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> I cannot perceive the distant parts of the universe and I can't even > >>>>>> imagine what they are , but someone out there sees them and doesn't > >>>>>> see me. > >>>>>> Does that mean that there are many perceptions and many negations ., > >>>>>> does > >>>>>> it mean you see and I do not see? And I see and you do not see? Vam , > >>>>>> you > >>>>>> are being ridiculous and I am speaking for the idea and not for you. By > >>>>>> everything is meant everything , all the elements which have a > >>>>>> rudimentary > >>>>>> type of consciousness they also are not.The entire universes are alive > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> the sense that there is vibration everywhere and by nothing is meant > >>>>>> total > >>>>>> absence of vibration meaning nothing , just the abstract intelligence > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> existence. > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:46 AM, ashok tewari > >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>> " When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the > >>>>>>> negation of everything." > > >>>>>>> Correction : Everything ... limited to what YOU perceive, experience, > >>>>>>> imagine or know, or can in future. > > >>>>>>> That would still leave much else ... all that you do not or cannot > >>>>>>> feel, think, imagine or know. Why is it so difficult to accept this > >>>>>>> truism > >>>>>>> ? > > >>>>>>> Search yourself. How can YOU negate what you do not perceive, > >>>>>>> experience, feel, think of, imagine or know ? > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the > >>>>>>>> negation of everything. And what is the intelligence which is > >>>>>>>> nothing or the > >>>>>>>> negation of everything , it is existence. You cannot call existence > >>>>>>>> to exist > >>>>>>>> because it is the basis of that which exist. You read the ancient > >>>>>>>> upanisads > >>>>>>>> and maybe you will have the groundwork that goes into understanding > >>>>>>>> God , > >>>>>>>> Reality , Truth or Atman. I prefer Atman before Brahman because I > >>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>> believe in individual souls. To me we are all just ahamkaras or > >>>>>>>> egos and > >>>>>>>> have just this lifetime and it is Atman who is in everything animate > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> inanimate and it is existence and intelligence itself. > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, facilitator > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> I am back for a bit. Just thought I would give everyone a heads > >>>>>>>>> up. > >>>>>>>>> Something I have allowed to bolster my understanding of the human > >>>>>>>>> condition.....People are messed up. > > >>>>>>>>> "Philosophy is good for nothing, that's good, since nothing doesn't > >>>>>>>>> exist". > >>>>>>>>> (Murray) > > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> ASHOK TEWARI > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> ASHOK TEWARI > > >>> -- > >>> ASHOK TEWARI > > > -- > > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
