When a little boy asked his guru what is Brahman , the guru said , O..k. son tell me all that you know one by one what you know and I will tell you what is Brahman. The pupil said , Is it the sun ? Guru 'not this' The boy said , 'the river Guru , 'not this. and one by one the boy counted out all that he knew and he received the same answer. Ultimately the boy said , Sir I have counted out all that I knew and now what is left? Guru smiled at the boy and said , Son, it is the one where there is no other.Awareness involves duality , whereas the truth is non-dual ; where existence or intelligence is alone the illusion of the world is not there.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:19 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes, RP, I would. > > Neti - Neti ... Not this, Not this ... means all that catches my fancy, in > the material or mental or intellectual world, which I come to regard as ' > God,' as in what I feel or think, what idea or settled knowledge I come to > conclude as it, is NOT IT ! > > It is not about the universe ... but about about our attachments and > limitations. Shankar(acharya) and the Upanishads say ... this very universe > is Brahman ( sarvam khalvidam brahman ... all this is Brahman ) ... this > very ego is Brahman ( aham brahmasmi ... I am Brahman ). > > Please do not ask for more. I am not a teacher, except to a student, which > you are not. > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:41 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ashok , you are a Hindu and from what I have gathered of the advaita fold. >> What is neti neti >> Will you please explain to me what it means? >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:54 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> " ... whole universe ... " >>> >>> Which would include what is known to YOU and all that YOU do not know. >>> >>> I'd find it very foolish if I were to negate something I know nothing >>> about ! That would be what children are likely to do, wishing in and wishing >>> away ... rather meaninglessly ! >>> >>> When Nietzsche found " God is dead," he negates the God in our knowledge, >>> belief and imagination. Which then becomes meaningful. >>> >>> What does your negation of the " whole universe " mean ? To YOU ? >>> >>> It is easy to talk, RP. It means nothing, if it means nothing to YOU ! >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Everything means the whole universe and if you exist separately from the >>>> universe , I , of course , don't include you. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:49 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> " By everything is meant everything ..." >>>>> >>>>> What is " everything " to a child is not the same as what ' everything >>>>> ' would mean to an adult ... it is only what YOU conceive of the >>>>> inclusions >>>>> ! >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I cannot perceive the distant parts of the universe and I can't even >>>>>> imagine what they are , but someone out there sees them and doesn't see >>>>>> me. >>>>>> Does that mean that there are many perceptions and many negations ., >>>>>> does >>>>>> it mean you see and I do not see? And I see and you do not see? Vam , you >>>>>> are being ridiculous and I am speaking for the idea and not for you. By >>>>>> everything is meant everything , all the elements which have a >>>>>> rudimentary >>>>>> type of consciousness they also are not.The entire universes are alive in >>>>>> the sense that there is vibration everywhere and by nothing is meant >>>>>> total >>>>>> absence of vibration meaning nothing , just the abstract intelligence and >>>>>> existence. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:46 AM, ashok tewari >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> " When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the >>>>>>> negation of everything." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Correction : Everything ... limited to what YOU perceive, experience, >>>>>>> imagine or know, or can in future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would still leave much else ... all that you do not or cannot >>>>>>> feel, think, imagine or know. Why is it so difficult to accept this >>>>>>> truism >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Search yourself. How can YOU negate what you do not perceive, >>>>>>> experience, feel, think of, imagine or know ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When we say that the universe came out of nothing we mean the >>>>>>>> negation of everything. And what is the intelligence which is nothing >>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>> negation of everything , it is existence. You cannot call existence to >>>>>>>> exist >>>>>>>> because it is the basis of that which exist. You read the ancient >>>>>>>> upanisads >>>>>>>> and maybe you will have the groundwork that goes into understanding >>>>>>>> God , >>>>>>>> Reality , Truth or Atman. I prefer Atman before Brahman because I don't >>>>>>>> believe in individual souls. To me we are all just ahamkaras or egos >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> have just this lifetime and it is Atman who is in everything animate >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> inanimate and it is existence and intelligence itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM, facilitator >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am back for a bit. Just thought I would give everyone a heads >>>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>>>> Something I have allowed to bolster my understanding of the human >>>>>>>>> condition.....People are messed up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Philosophy is good for nothing, that's good, since nothing doesn't >>>>>>>>> exist". >>>>>>>>> (Murray) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ASHOK TEWARI >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ASHOK TEWARI >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ASHOK TEWARI >>> >> >> > > > -- > ASHOK TEWARI >
