Ash before you belittle AA you need to learn what you are talking about.. I am a proud member of AA for over 30 years now,, and if it was not for AA I can assure you I would not be alive.. What is share there is our experience strength and hope Allan H.
You can beat up on a lot of organizations,, aka whipping boy .. and it has beenmy experience that those that beat upon AA aka whipping boy are the ones that need AA the most. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > On 9/12/2010 9:47 PM, Slip Disc wrote: > >> Like most things it depends on who is wielding the book,<<ash >>> >> What does it matter who is wielding the book? The issue starts with >> us, we decide what "advertisements/enticements" we want to follow. >> > I agree partially, having a choice doesn't always beget being able to make > conscious determinations. The person wielding the book is the one being > referred to with authority, the character of that authority is in their > interpretation and motives. Con artists and pedophiles prey on the weak and > defenseless for example and all sorts of predatory practice is legally > actionable. If someone isn't equipped mentally or physically for whatever > reason there is an opportunity for someone to take advantage. I'm only > saying there is potential danger, however there are stories out there from > less than grateful ex-members of AA: > > http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/cult-or-cure-the-aa-backlash-1160113.html > http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html > > > but I've heard some very disturbing stories about their<ash >>> >> Their practices? Who are "their"? >> > This entire paragraph is related to AA, aka the whipping boy for tonight. > > > practices, that combined with psychologically vulnerable people in need of >>> help opens us a franchise opportunity for all sorts of predatory and >>> unsavory uses of religion>ash >>> >> This is true but not absolute nor all encompassing aside from being >> totally tangential. >> >> Again, I'll remind<<ash >> You'll remind or reiterate? Sounds instructional. >> > I agree that sounds 'instructional', it was terse and hurried. 'Remind' > here is intended as referential, appearing to be a flawed sentence flow, it > should have read, 'To reiterate' however that would have also been redundant > and wordy as it would suffice to begin the sentence with 'The utmost > caution', still instructional. > > Writing is not my strongest pursuit, obviously, my average post here takes > a few hours of deliberation where I eventually throw up my hands, chop out > 70% as useless and say what the hell. > > that the utmost caution and conscience should be the hallmark, lest it >>> fall into predatory (deranged) hands. Kudos to those who do it well. >>> >> Kudos! ah yes the kudos, can't forget the kudos. Does that come >> complete with the honorary plaque or just the ribbon? >> > Are you teasing? :p Praiseworthy, again terse, meaning I have respect for > someone who works to reduce suffering. Moreso for someone who can do it > while being a force of emancipation. > > Also, 'in need of help opens us a franchise opportunity' was intended as, > 'in need of help opens [up] a franchise opportunity'. If anyone here is in > AA or an alcoholic I mean no disrespect or to single out a person or group, > this represents an opinion based on an insignificant amount of research of > which I am not an authority. > > Most people correlate instruction to some superior stance when I could just > as easily instruct one how to repeat the steps of a thought or a random > screwup. In this case the active and emphasized language was meant to stress > that I wasn't just picking on AA but pointing at the people behind groups as > responsible for the outcomes, whether good or bad, AA or any other group. > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
