The sellection of the children as an example was for what would seem, obvious reason. By age 1 the nature seem fully functional and seem to gain it's greatest outside influence around age 3. It had nothing to do with anyone's physical abilities or disabilities. > One thing that consistantly prevails in most of your messages to me , is that you come with two different standards; i.e., one for you and one for me. By those for you, you are allowed to give your opinion freely of me and my views. The one issued for me requires that my opinion of you must be taylored by caution and accurracy >While I base my opinion of you on the contents that I see emitted from the seat of your heart. In your statement "....your generalities that you have arrived at from your teachings of christianity", show me the ground for such an assessment. >What I prefer in socialization is that each individual maintain the self-governed standards acceptable to each. One standard should be that if I do it to you, you are justified in doing it to me. >I see the road that I'm on to be narrow and few travelers theron, for now.
On Nov 22, 12:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Edward one of the absolutes of the world is if you states if something is an > absolute you will be absolutely wrong. Don't put me in the catagory that > you see yourself in. One thing is you do not know me or who I am until you > do leave me out of your generalities that you have arrived at from the > teachings of christianity. > > As far as children go, I have been fixed and have no intention of bringing > children into this world, and for good reasons, unlike you I have several > great grand children. Your ideas are not original but concepts that have > been passed on for many generation. > > You have a long way to grow in spirituality a long way that is not easy. > According to your beliefs the road to predation is wide and many chose to > follow it, from what I have read of your writing I would guess you are > somewhere on that wide road. > Allan > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM, pathfinder <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > I am saying that the heart of man aka your heart, my heart, and the > > hearts of all are set towards survival, gratification, pleasure, > > curiousity, thrill, etc. We must learn to bring the heart into > > conformity. Out of an instinct to survive, gratify, enjoy or whatever > > the caes may be, I, you, man, woman, we do what we think is best for > > ourselves if we do not apply the laws or their principles. We must > > learn to do what is wanting without violating those Laws. > > Collectively, we assume or believe that no one knows our thoughts, > > motives, actions, so we are less likely to develope the restraints > > upon ourselves necessary to truely be respectable towards the rights, > > needs, concerns, etc., of our neighbor, our fellow-human-being. As one > > experiment along these lines, recording the results, what they'll find > > they have would be their experience. Watch the children, Allan. At > > least two children, 1-3 years of age. One toy. Stay close and be ready > > to teach. But you will see the heart of man there. So, unless you came > > into this world by some other means, your's would be included amongst > > the Heart of Man. > > > On Nov 21, 9:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Interesting Edward, so you are saying your heart aka the heart of man is > > > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." Please explain > > to > > > me why you are "fully set upon doing evil"? I hope you do not give a > > bunch > > > of bible quotes but rather in your own words. > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:29 AM, pathfinder <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > I see sin as a concept that has been abused, misused, but never really > > > > understood. I see it as a violation of any of those controlling > > > > factors which we commonly refer to as 'laws'. Some of those we adapt > > > > to early; like those of gravity, force, the elements, etc., because > > > > the results of the violations are immediate. Still, on a higher level > > > > the results are more subtle, and takes more time for the cosmos to > > > > render the prefect vibrations. Wherefore, we continue until we get the > > > > over-load, a lot of the times. Thus, the bible verse, 'Because the > > > > judgement of the Lord is not executed speedily, the heart of man is > > > > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." So what we > > > > would finish with would be relationship and not religion. A hamonious > > > > relationship with the Laws natural to the earth/heaven factors. Then > > > > the nations could use the soldiers on the farms, the polices building > > > > structures, the politians, well,they still might need something that > > > > they don't have to think about. We can defy some of these laws to a > > > > certain extent, but we can't defeat any of them. Seeming to ignore > > > > them is not a form of defeat. If one ever learn to live in that > > > > hormony he don't want any of those laws defeated no way. The solution, > > > > then becomes, too easy. With the magnitude of some of the problems in > > > > this world, seems like nothing short of a major catastrophy on a > > > > global scale could even come close to having some effect. May be true, > > > > but, that catastrophy need be applied only to the old systems of > > > > thoughts, produceing behavior. > > > > > On Nov 20, 6:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Gabbers, while I may have discussed about yes/no issues, the notion > > of > > > > > sin is not one of them. I do not accept the notion of sin. > > > > > > On Nov 17, 4:06 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, you do, orn. You argue along the same yes/no line. > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Accepting the notion of sin/salvation seems to be necessary for > > > > > > > current day biblical dogma to make sense. Am I missing something > > > > > > > there? Oh, and I don't accept said notion. > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 11:54 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > every generation has its teachers and false teachers, prophets > > and > > > > false > > > > > > > > prophets. > > > > > > > > personally I am not into bible thumpers. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:24 PM, pathfinder < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just like in the days of Noah, shall the days be when the Son > > of > > > > Man > > > > > > > > > is revealed. Noah's message was strange and inconceivable. > > Jesus > > > > spoke > > > > > > > > > of this in Luke 17:26> "And as it was in the days of No'e, so > > > > shall it > > > > > > > > > be also in the days of the Son of man." The warning is also > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > numbers: 8 souls saved. > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 29:10> "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the > > spirit > > > > of > > > > > > > > > deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your > > > > rulers, > > > > > > > > > the seers hath he covered. > (11)- And the visioin of all has > > is > > > > > > > > > become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which > > men > > > > > > > > > deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray > > thee: > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > saith, I cannot: for it is sealed:> (12)- And the book is > > > > delivered to > > > > > > > > > him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and > > he > > > > saith, > > > > > > > > > I am not learned.> (13)- Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch > > as > > > > this > > > > > > > > > people draw near me with their mouth, and their lips do > > honour > > > > me, but > > > > > > > > > have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward > > me is > > > > > > > > > taught by the precept of men:> (14)- Therefore, behold, I > > will > > > > proced > > > > > > > > > to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous > > work > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and > > the > > > > > > > > > understanding of their prudent men shall be > > > > > > > > > hid." > > > > > > > > > Now tell me, If the leaders and the prophets have been > > blinded by > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > how could one logically expect God to be there passing out > > sights > > > > and > > > > > > > > > visions? God speaks for himself. We just have to learn to > > listen > > > > and > > > > > > > > > apply. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 8:50 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let us all be damned! If reading this kind of rubbish is > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > to being saved, then I don't want to be ... > > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Nov., 17:37, "[email protected]" < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Spam spam I call spam! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 4:23 pm, edward mason < > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > document.doc > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've shared Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > > > > > > document.doc< > > > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > Click to open: > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > > > > > > document.doc< > > > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAST DAY PROPHECIES THAT FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE > > > > PRESENT > > > > > > > DAY > > > > > > > > > > > > > “THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE SWORD” > > > > > > > > > > > > > Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the > > > > woman, and > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the > > > > > > > commandments of > > > > > > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > > > > and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship > > him. > > > > And he > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > unto > > > > > > > > > > > > me,’ see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and > > of > > > > thy > > > > > > > brothren > > > > > > > > > > > > that have > > > > > > > > > > > > the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony > > of > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > spirit of Prophecy.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > So then, it should be noteworthy that there are > > > > differences > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘Testimony of Jesus the Christ’, and the testimony of > > > > another > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > ‘Jesus is > > > > > > > > > > > > the Christ’. For there are words in some of Jesus’ > > sayings > > > > that > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate that there will be those in the last days, > > though > > > > being > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > testify that Jesus is the Christ, will be shut out of > > the > > > > kingdom > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:26 “Then shall ye begin to say, ‘We have eaten > > and > > > > drunk > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > thy > > > > > > > > > > > > presence, and thou hast taught in our streets’.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:27 “ But he shall say, ’I tell you, I know not > > > > whence ye > > > > > > > are; > > > > > > > > > depart > > > > > > > > > > > > from me, all ye workers of iniquity’. “ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 6:46 “ And why call ye me, Lord, and do not the > > > > things > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > say?” > > > > > > > > > > > > > A testimony is the witnessing one gives from his > > > > collection of > > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > and experiences. What man testify to is one thing: that > > > > Jesus is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Supreme > > > > > > > > > > > > Sacrifice, the Savior, the Prince of Peace, and the > > > > Repairer of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Breach, > > > > > > > > > > > > is one thing; But what Jesus testify to leads to the > > > > Salvation of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Soul, > > > > > > > > > > > > the Way to God, Eternal Light and Life. As unfortunate > > as > > > > it may > > > > > > > > > appear at > > > > > > > > > > > > first, upon hearing Jesus’ testimony for the very first > > > > time, it > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > wise to bear in mind that the whole is God’s plan for > > > > Salvation. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > have all > > > > > > > > > > > > transgressed the Laws of God, and the wages of sin is > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > Wherefore, to > > > > > > > > > > > > be placed under a period of judgment, with an > > opportunity > > > > to > > > > > > > repent, > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > change of heart, and then be removed from judgment to > > > > Eternal > > > > > > > Life, > > > > > > > > > is truly > > > > > > > > > > > > the Mercy and Righteousness of God. While to remain > > > > ignorant in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > face of > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth and Word of God makes us guilty in the Blood- > > shed of > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > People. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then, that’s my testimony. And who am I, but a > > > > sinner, and > > > > > > > > > another who > > > > > > > > > > > > have fallen short of the Glory of God? Yet in my > > search, I > > > > > > > knocked, > > > > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > > > > > > doors opened up. Now I have the duty to testify; to try > > to > > > > show > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > that I’ve seen behind some of those doors: to describe > > the > > > > Light > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > saw at > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of that long, narrow tunnel. I must share what > > I > > > > hear and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > understandings of my heart. I bring for my witnesses > > the > > > > words of > > > > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Man rebelled ever against God. God spoke, “ Repent > > and > > > > return > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me, and > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ll send you healing, peace, and plenty. Continue to > > rebel > > > > and > > > > > > > > > transgress, > > > > > > > > > > > > death, the sword, and desolation shall be your reward.” > > > > Man > > > > > > > (male > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > female) never repented. How is it, then, that man > > concluded > > > > that > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > his mind and sent us a savior, when he promised us a > > > > sword? I > > > > > > > > > choose to > > > > > > > > > > > > believe the Testimony of Jesus, above the testimony of > > man. > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > Because the > > > > > > > > > > > > testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy, and the > > > > Prophecies > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > history and the present confirming their Truth, even to > > the > > > > > > > letter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is evident that where there appear to be gaps in > > > > them, it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > our mistakens, misapplications, and grave > > > > misinterpretations. As > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > prophecy says; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 34:16 “ Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and > > > > read: no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my > > mouth it > > > > hath > > > > > > > > > commanded, > > > > > > > > > > > > and his spirit it hath gathered them.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:9 “Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom > > shall > > > > he > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the > > milk, > > > > and > > > > > > > drawn > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > breasts.”... ( Note: Isaiah 7:22> “And it shall > > come to > > > > pass, > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat > > butter: > > > > for > > > > > > > > > butter and > > > > > > > > > > > > honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.” ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:10 “ For precept must be on precept, precept > > upon > > > > > > > precept; > > > > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > > > > upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a > > > > little: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:11 “ For with stammering lips and another > > tongue > > > > will > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > speak to > > > > > > > > > > > > this people.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:12 “ For whom he said, ‘ This is the rest > > where > > > > with ye > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > the weary to rest: and this is the refreshing’. “ > > > > > > > > > > > > > With these things in mind, let’s consider some of > > Jesus’ > > > > > > > testimony > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > written: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathew 5:17 “ Think not that I am come to destroy the > > law, > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > prophets: > > > > > > > > > > > > (spirit of Prophecy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (them).” > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 5:39 “ Search > > > > > > ... > > > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > Be Paranoid. > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
