RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except to explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events. From what we do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and I am beginning to think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the present can and the past has been affected by the future. Through this I accept causality but deny determinism.

Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being? This implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in the linear senses usually attributed. But something alive, with living parts which have an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, care to clarify more?

On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote:
Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation and therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end , Creation has no beginning and no end as there would always be universes before and after the present universes. In other words there would be no beginning or end of time.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    This leads us to the question of the existence of our universe at
    all, if a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient, eternal; what
    point would there be to creating our universe?


    On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote:
    Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end the
    eternity of God would have no meaning as it is in creation that
    God's presence is felt. God would have become a very lonely fellow.

    On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman
    <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again:

        Who sez?

        Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything. The
        trick is to
        back them up.

        Francis

        On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
        > There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal. There is no
        > beginning or end of creation. Before this universe there
        were other
        > universes and after this universe there will be other
        universes. In
        > fact there is no point in time when there was a first
        universe or
        > there will be a last universe. God and Creation are both
        eternal , it
        > is us beings that are finite.





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