logical?? RP Good logic has a firm foundation. And wishfull thinking is not a firm foundation that is all you have presented is a day dream with and it is because you have no originating source.
Logic is often divided into two parts, inductive reasoning<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning>and deductive reasoning <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning>. The first is drawing general conclusions from specific examples, the second drawing logical conclusions from definitions and axioms. A similar dichotomy, used by Aristotle, is analysis and synthesis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic-synthetic_distinction>. Here the first takes an object of study and examines its component parts. The second considers how parts can be combined to form a whole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic Just so you under what logic is.. references are easy .. you have access to the internet.. I can can reach the conclusion because you post on the group. Now would you like to post the foundations to your Logic? or is it just a word you use to hide that you have no foundation. Allan On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:38 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > I am basing my views on logic and if you don't accept my logic I can do > nothing about it. What is logical to me may sound illogical to you. Maybe > you want some illustrations from scriptures or science books but I am sorry > I cannot provide one. > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What I am hearing RP is just talk, you were asked what you are basing >> these statements from? In simpler terms, sources, sources, and more >> sources. >> Allan >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable to >>> believe that there have always been universes and life and death will >>> continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe began and >>> will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of universes will >>> continue in eternity. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except to >>>> explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events. From what >>>> we >>>> do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and I am beginning to >>>> think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the present can and the past >>>> has been affected by the future. Through this I accept causality but deny >>>> determinism. >>>> >>>> Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and >>>> loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being? This >>>> implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in the linear >>>> senses usually attributed. But something alive, with living parts which >>>> have >>>> an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, care to >>>> clarify more? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation and >>>> therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end , Creation has no >>>> beginning and no end as there would always be universes before and after >>>> the >>>> present universes. In other words there would be no beginning or end of >>>> time. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This leads us to the question of the existence of our universe at all, >>>>> if a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient, eternal; what point would >>>>> there >>>>> be to creating our universe? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end the eternity >>>>> of God would have no meaning as it is in creation that God's presence is >>>>> felt. God would have become a very lonely fellow. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again: >>>>>> >>>>>> Who sez? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything. The trick is to >>>>>> back them up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Francis >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal. There is no >>>>>> > beginning or end of creation. Before this universe there were other >>>>>> > universes and after this universe there will be other universes. In >>>>>> > fact there is no point in time when there was a first universe or >>>>>> > there will be a last universe. God and Creation are both eternal , >>>>>> it >>>>>> > is us beings that are finite. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
