A very enjoyable book (IMO) that gets this point across is Ishmael by
Daniel Quinn. In it he uses the art of storytelling as the narrator, in
the actors, and the content (our distant ancestors, "Storytelling gene",
evolution, etc) of the book. It is proof positive that drama and
storytelling is superior, has been with us since before 'we' were 'us'
and played a pivotal role in our survival as a species.
I would argue that the 'lens' dimension of the mind (a mental discipline
rather) implements the very same functions to generate and examine
philosophies and theories. The beauty of philosophy is differentiation
and refinement, and the beauty of the other is that it requires neither
and can effortlessly project timeless concepts and experiences.
On 12/6/2010 8:20 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
There is no way to verify your claim.
Why does every generation think it has "invented the wheel"? Perhaps
it is a form of rebellion and a casting off of the elders.
From my readings in literature and history, I feel I could have been
happily engaged in many different eras. Humans have changed very
little over time while our concept of god has adapted to superficials
in human society.
Philosophy and theology are hard reads for me- either they make me
sleepy or confused- mostly in the way they have been expressed. On the
other hand, Greek drama, literature and the arts present an easier
grasp of man's struggles with mortality and seem as valid to me as the
pursuit of philosophy and other theoretical systems.
On Dec 6, 6:05 am, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote:
Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable to
believe that there have always been universes and life and death will
continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe began and
will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of universes will
continue in eternity.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except to
explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events. From what we
do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and I am beginning to
think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the present can and the past
has been affected by the future. Through this I accept causality but deny
determinism.
Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and
loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being? This
implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in the linear
senses usually attributed. But something alive, with living parts which have
an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, care to
clarify more?
On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote:
Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation and
therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end , Creation has no
beginning and no end as there would always be universes before and after the
present universes. In other words there would be no beginning or end of
time.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
This leads us to the question of the existence of our universe at all, if
a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient, eternal; what point would there be
to creating our universe?
On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote:
Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end the eternity of
God would have no meaning as it is in creation that God's presence is felt.
God would have become a very lonely fellow.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman<[email protected]
wrote:
RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again:
Who sez?
Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything. The trick is to
back them up.
Francis
On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP<[email protected]> wrote:
There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal. There is no
beginning or end of creation. Before this universe there were other
universes and after this universe there will be other universes. In
fact there is no point in time when there was a first universe or
there will be a last universe. God and Creation are both eternal , it
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