I am basing my views on logic and if you don't accept my logic I can do nothing about it. What is logical to me may sound illogical to you. Maybe you want some illustrations from scriptures or science books but I am sorry I cannot provide one.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > What I am hearing RP is just talk, you were asked what you are basing these > statements from? In simpler terms, sources, sources, and more sources. > Allan > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable to >> believe that there have always been universes and life and death will >> continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe began and >> will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of universes will >> continue in eternity. >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except to >>> explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events. From what we >>> do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and I am beginning to >>> think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the present can and the past >>> has been affected by the future. Through this I accept causality but deny >>> determinism. >>> >>> Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and >>> loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being? This >>> implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in the linear >>> senses usually attributed. But something alive, with living parts which have >>> an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, care to >>> clarify more? >>> >>> >>> On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation and >>> therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end , Creation has no >>> beginning and no end as there would always be universes before and after the >>> present universes. In other words there would be no beginning or end of >>> time. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This leads us to the question of the existence of our universe at all, >>>> if a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient, eternal; what point would >>>> there >>>> be to creating our universe? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end the eternity >>>> of God would have no meaning as it is in creation that God's presence is >>>> felt. God would have become a very lonely fellow. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again: >>>>> >>>>> Who sez? >>>>> >>>>> Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything. The trick is to >>>>> back them up. >>>>> >>>>> Francis >>>>> >>>>> On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal. There is no >>>>> > beginning or end of creation. Before this universe there were other >>>>> > universes and after this universe there will be other universes. In >>>>> > fact there is no point in time when there was a first universe or >>>>> > there will be a last universe. God and Creation are both eternal , it >>>>> > is us beings that are finite. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >
