Surely all that is alien to us seems a bit shocking upon the interim. These conceptions that we are under will change and evolve over the course of years or hundreds or thousandsof years as required by the times. It all seems to be rather mystical but is quite natural as Tolstoy points out.
On Dec 10, 6:40 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I think I am more interested in how systems of rarefied thought > motivate cultures and characters. Isn't it existential thinking- > Sartre- that points to will and action as the highest human task?//I > should also correct my flip remark- humanity seems impossible rather > than men, alone. History is one shock after another. > > On Dec 9, 12:57 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Considering inert matter I think there is a lot of information: physical > > properties, spatio/temporal locale, history. History is interesting > > because even inert matter would leave a wake. Or under the right > > circumstances could play a very important role in some event present or > > future. The interesting part of exercising information as a higher > > abstraction than physical properties is that things are promoted in many > > more angles (sounds like a founding principle, where's my pen?!). > > > Energy is still as useful a tool as always, I think information and > > energy may be synonymous on many levels (some of which should prove in > > favor of energy). These are all tools for the mind, just showing off my > > shiny new socket wrench (new to me anyways *wink). May have > > misunderstood your meaning. > > > On 12/8/2010 4:22 PM, rigsy03 wrote: > > > > Are you saying there is no such thing as inert matter?//Who pulled the > > > "trigger" to pure energy? > > > > On Dec 8, 1:11 pm, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 12/8/2010 12:26 PM, Pat wrote: > > > >>> On Dec 8, 4:57 pm, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Not to mention that "work" is also kinetic energy! ;) > > >>> There is nothing that isn't energy. Well, to my knowledge, I, nor no > > >>> one of which I know, has discovered anything that isn't some form of > > >>> energy. The only argument I can think of that may lead someone there > > >>> is if someone demanded that 'nothing' had to consist of some > > >>> underlying substance (although I view that argument as a false > > >>> premiss, as nothing is simply that which does not exist and has NO > > >>> substance). If one conceded an underlying substance to 'nothing', > > >>> then that substance could be called 'non-existence' and MAY, in a > > >>> twisted way, be viewed as something other than energy; but, as non- > > >>> existence, by definition, does not exist, one would never find > > >>> anything--even to the inclusion of a 'nothing'--that would be made of > > >>> it. > > >>> Like I said, it's the only arguent that leads anywhere close; but, I > > >>> thik it's a black hole of an idea in that the idea sucks so much, it > > >>> sucks itself to oblivion. ;-) > > >> An idea I have been enjoying even more than 'all is energy' is that "all > > >> is information". In my view whereas we can say 'all is energy' we mean > > >> composition but abstracting any phenomena, object, interaction into > > >> types of information promotes a fundamentally universal layer to compare > > >> vastly divergent fields: eg the accumulation of density producing > > >> gravity (which could be seen as another density in space/time), and the > > >> similarities to dynamically evolving, self organizing systems of > > >> information (life, virii) as a higher form of information (greater ratio > > >> of potential:matter-density) as the formula to understand the > > >> similarities and differences of how (factors) each operates within their > > >> environments (space/time). This to me would also eventually lead to key > > >> identifiers for what we are (potentials), where we are (bounded > > >> attraction differentials). A consequence of this system is the inherent > > >> intelligence of the cosmos. I can't put it into words well right now, > > >> but I see that many earlier ideas have helped spawn this and the name > > >> that's stuck with me is 'super-intelligent design'. More pseudoscience > > >> than anything really until I can rerun my memory/experiences and get it > > >> all written down. (time, time, time...)- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
