Well put DW, I've had a post lingering for followup but didn't like how
I was coming across. You've summed nicely.
It is that time of year again, yes I am starting my Hershey's Special
Dark regimen. Wow, I'm almost a 1yr ME visitor (what do I get?).
On 12/10/2010 10:26 AM, DarkwaterBlight wrote:
Surely all that is alien to us seems a bit shocking upon the interim.
These conceptions that we are under will change and evolve over the
course of years or hundreds or thousandsof years as required by the
times. It all seems to be rather mystical but is quite natural as
Tolstoy points out.
On Dec 10, 6:40 am, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote:
I think I am more interested in how systems of rarefied thought
motivate cultures and characters. Isn't it existential thinking-
Sartre- that points to will and action as the highest human task?//I
should also correct my flip remark- humanity seems impossible rather
than men, alone. History is one shock after another.
On Dec 9, 12:57 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
Considering inert matter I think there is a lot of information: physical
properties, spatio/temporal locale, history. History is interesting
because even inert matter would leave a wake. Or under the right
circumstances could play a very important role in some event present or
future. The interesting part of exercising information as a higher
abstraction than physical properties is that things are promoted in many
more angles (sounds like a founding principle, where's my pen?!).
Energy is still as useful a tool as always, I think information and
energy may be synonymous on many levels (some of which should prove in
favor of energy). These are all tools for the mind, just showing off my
shiny new socket wrench (new to me anyways *wink). May have
misunderstood your meaning.
On 12/8/2010 4:22 PM, rigsy03 wrote:
Are you saying there is no such thing as inert matter?//Who pulled the
"trigger" to pure energy?
On Dec 8, 1:11 pm, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/8/2010 12:26 PM, Pat wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:57 pm, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote:
Not to mention that "work" is also kinetic energy! ;)
There is nothing that isn't energy. Well, to my knowledge, I, nor no
one of which I know, has discovered anything that isn't some form of
energy. The only argument I can think of that may lead someone there
is if someone demanded that 'nothing' had to consist of some
underlying substance (although I view that argument as a false
premiss, as nothing is simply that which does not exist and has NO
substance). If one conceded an underlying substance to 'nothing',
then that substance could be called 'non-existence' and MAY, in a
twisted way, be viewed as something other than energy; but, as non-
existence, by definition, does not exist, one would never find
anything--even to the inclusion of a 'nothing'--that would be made of
it.
Like I said, it's the only arguent that leads anywhere close; but, I
thik it's a black hole of an idea in that the idea sucks so much, it
sucks itself to oblivion. ;-)
An idea I have been enjoying even more than 'all is energy' is that "all
is information". In my view whereas we can say 'all is energy' we mean
composition but abstracting any phenomena, object, interaction into
types of information promotes a fundamentally universal layer to compare
vastly divergent fields: eg the accumulation of density producing
gravity (which could be seen as another density in space/time), and the
similarities to dynamically evolving, self organizing systems of
information (life, virii) as a higher form of information (greater ratio
of potential:matter-density) as the formula to understand the
similarities and differences of how (factors) each operates within their
environments (space/time). This to me would also eventually lead to key
identifiers for what we are (potentials), where we are (bounded
attraction differentials). A consequence of this system is the inherent
intelligence of the cosmos. I can't put it into words well right now,
but I see that many earlier ideas have helped spawn this and the name
that's stuck with me is 'super-intelligent design'. More pseudoscience
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