I forgot Persia! :-)//Well, Egypt was a power equal to Rome before conquest and Alexandria was considered perhaps the greatest city of all and I would guess gold was a currency in trade but would have to research that. I think the emphasis was not on eye shadow-kohl- but embalming and filling the pyramids with goods for the afterlife- Book of the Dead- which was extremely ritualized. Often traps and hidden accesses were built but robbers got in anyway so I suspect an "inside job" or the result of being conquered as newer powers simply spread the gold through trade or building their own treasury. I don't think gold is such a plentiful, easy metal which accounts for its value and part of the mission of later explorers was to seek new supplies in the East or New World along with spices- pepper was once as valuable as gold- as food spoiled quickly.//The Jews and others were definitely seen as property when defeated. Rome was a huge slave owner, for example, and those ancient kingdoms had a lot of ups and downs over the centuries. How old is the story of King Midas? Anyway, there probably is gold on the sea floor of the Mediterranean as well as sunken ships of Spain from the Americas.//Maybe Wikipedia has a decent history of gold, Allan, as I am just "winging it" from memory of what I have read or seen. And we should remember Napoleon's expedition to Egypt- 1798- which opened Egypt to colonial powers after the Battle of the Pyramids. I think much treasure eventually wound up with the French and British in spite of defilement of graves and temples; the Ottomans should also be considered and possibly Russia.( What about all the gold ornamentation of Christian and Orthodox worship? Or jewelry and decorative arts like dishes and goblets? I think that gold just kept being recycled.) Sorry for all the darting about of ideas but that's how my mind works in the early morning! lol Just think how the lure of gold hastened the takeover of lands from the Indians and Spain in the USA. And how Baghdad's museum was sacked. I guess it's true that people will do just about anything for money, sadly.
On Dec 20, 11:06 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Rigsy that is my point the history we were taught is not the history that > is being found out today. the history as I was told was the pyramids were > totally built by jewish slave labor.. which has turned out to be not true > but more of a fabricated story presented as it was the absolute truth.. a > poor victimized people. which is just not true. > > The second part of the missing gold..all though all societies use some gold > the quantities are really minor when it comes to the quanity that was used > in the interment rites rights of the egyptian kings with massive amounts > of gold that were meant to remain where they were placed.. later kings > would not defile the graves simply because they did not want their own > defiled.. > > what bothers me this gold and artifacts are showing up today outside egypt > ,, but this gold is not showing up inside egypt probably mainly because it > was not a currency of exchange. the Grave robbers almost certianly had to be > outsiders to whom gold had value. records from the building of the pyramids > show they were more interested in eye shadow. so just who were these thieves > and where did the gold go remember this was ancient times.? > The gold should be track able. > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here's a morning "stab in the dark" Allan. Slaves were war booty- > > along with treasure, maybe horses and food supplies- so the Jews were > > present in Egypt and held a variety of positions- some, undoubtedly, > > slave labor according to the OT and Cecile B. DeMille. The Jews were > > not great builders as Hiram of Tyre had to send builders and materials > > to Solomon, etc. Cities were coming of age so there must have been > > architects as the temples are still awesome and one marvels at how > > such massive stones and pillars were carved, lugged and placed without > > modern equipment! > > > Gold ornaments and jewelry are found in other ancient burial sites- > > Greece- Troy- Ireland, etc. and it could have come from southern > > Africa or Europe/modern Turkey. You will find a good amount of these > > ancient artifacts in museums or it has been remelted. Glass was also > > treasured and some insist it was developed in Phoenecia (modern > > Lebanon) which was an active Mediterranean trader. By the way, I think > > museums are modern thieves of other people's cultures, China is paying > > high prices to retrieve its "stolen" past. Cleopatra was Greek- so > > that would account for her introducing coins, perhaps. (Let's see how > > Angelini Jolie upstarts Liz Taylor's version! lol) > > > On Dec 19, 4:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am hoping someone has the answers as they have been bugging me and the > > > more I find out the more I don't understand. > > > > I was taught that the Egyptian pyramids were built by jewish slave labor > > > turns out that archeology shows that they were built by by the Egyptians > > > themselves part of their tax system. the other thing I am finding out is > > > that they had no currency other than barter for grain. Ramses had > > grainery > > > complex large enough to feed all of egypt for over a year ,, now that is > > a > > > lot of grain.. and the nile is a tremendous agricultural area very > > fertile. > > > > Now the only coins known to be minted were created by cleaopatra and were > > of > > > a helenistic design and were never in circulation. > > > Now the Pharaohs are well known for the love of Gold in their burials > > and > > > lots of it to. Now to my knowledge there are no major sources of Gold > > within > > > the Egyptian borders which is not a problem as they had plenty of grain > > to > > > trade for all the gold they wanted.. > > > Nomadic tribes by their nature are not large 30 to 50 people at best. not > > > hundreds of thousands as taught. one of the questions is what happened > > to > > > the jews and just where were they? maybe still nomadic traders?? Isreal > > has > > > no major gold mines to my knowledge. and apparently slavery was not a > > big > > > thing either, although i am sure the was some trade in it.. just like > > today > > > it exist world wide,, but is not major.. > > > > The other question comes from the burial rites and the shear quantity of > > > gold that was involved disappearing by tomb robbers, that would be like > > > stealing all the gold out of the us depository at fort knox which is over > > > 4,000 tonnes of gold andit is small comparired to new york's vault which > > is > > > over 5,000 tonnes. what happened to all this gold it apparently does not > > > show up in the ancient Egyptian culture > > > > My questions come to this > > > 1: Where were all the jews in egypt in ancient times what did they > > actually > > > do? > > > 2: What happened to all the burial gold that was stolen from the tombs > > and > > > we are not talking about a few ounces either more like it the areas of > > tons. > > > > I hope some one can help me with these answers to these questions > > > Allan > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
