Well Rigsy the problem I see is even though I have not read the book the history of the Jews according to the Torah is turning out not to be accurate so I have reason to question the basic validity of the jewish history especially if that becomes one of the sources. especially if that covers the ancient history..
Persian gold came from mines in the area,, I saw some actual working mines that have been in existence and functioning for over 6,000 years and this mine was on the northern edges of the old Persian empire. In the old egyptian empire where gold was not the center of commerce it would be very difficult to hide plundered gold,, unless you were part of a closed society that separated itself from the rest of the population.. unfortunately that exactly fits the jewish population even today and was part of the reason for their problems in Germany pre WW II. you see the same problems occurring with the muslims and other sectarian groups. Hmmm the only real reason I can envision the egyptian army being mobilized would be if they were chasing tomb robbers which was a very very serious offense in ancient times. Allan On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:13 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Persia was the nation with the vast treasury at the time of Alexander. > The time line is difficult- Egypt is 6,000 years old and the history > of the Jews covers 4,000. A good book is "Jews, God and History" by > Max I. Dimont which also illustrates the "musical chairs" of kingdoms > in the Middle East and Mediterranean and each conquest was rewarded > with plunder, rape and enslavement. Alexander intermarried his army > with the conquered which has also diluted Catholicism and Judaism- > also the recent Balkan strategy as well as that of Liberals/atheists. > In the Valley of the Queens, the location of worker quarters were > pointed out- who's to say secret entrances were not passed along or > saved unless all the workers were killed- and just how did a few > thieves manage to hide their treasure in those times? The Hebrews > believed in one god and were surrounded by polytheism- except for a > brief attempt at monotheism in Egypt- to me, that is the real tension > plus the Hebrews had a moral code unlike the pagans. I suppose the > commercialization of feasts like Christmas reminds us of that fact- > the struggle between the State/capitalism/materialism or other "isms" > and religious principles and observances; Henry VIII got that ball > rolling in "modern" times.. A friend just sent me a review of books > dealing with the massacre of Catholics at Vendee (France) during the > period of their bloody revolution in the 1790"s. No wonder our > founders were dubious!// I don't think you have been reading > propaganda- just bad history. Joseph led the Jews into Egypt and Moses > led them out. > > On Dec 21, 2:23 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > You are right lee the original story comes from the bible which > originates > > from the jewish torah .. what bothers me is the time line, being the > story > > I was raised with the story as truth..but it is turning out it is nothing > > but propaganda. > > > > Rigsy this is all pre christian era and with the romans it was pretty > much > > over.. but even then there are not stories of the type of looting like > what > > occurred of Ramses tomb.. if it was raided by an army it would have been > > recorded so we are looking at tomb raiders. > > > > it seems history has been written by those who want it for their > advantage.. > > to me that is irritating.. what is so wrong with the truth? > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:44 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Where did you learn this? I think I have only ever heard this > > > particular story from the Christian bible. > > > > > On Dec 20, 5:06 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Rigsy that is my point the history we were taught is not the history > > > that > > > > is being found out today. the history as I was told was the pyramids > > > were > > > > totally built by jewish slave labor.. which has turned out to be not > true > > > > but more of a fabricated story presented as it was the absolute > truth.. a > > > > poor victimized people. which is just not true. > > > > > > The second part of the missing gold..all though all societies use > some > > > gold > > > > the quantities are really minor when it comes to the quanity that was > > > used > > > > in the interment rites rights of the egyptian kings with massive > > > amounts > > > > of gold that were meant to remain where they were placed.. later > kings > > > > would not defile the graves simply because they did not want their > own > > > > defiled.. > > > > > > what bothers me this gold and artifacts are showing up today outside > > > egypt > > > > ,, but this gold is not showing up inside egypt probably mainly > because > > > it > > > > was not a currency of exchange. the Grave robbers almost certianly > had to > > > be > > > > outsiders to whom gold had value. records from the building of the > > > pyramids > > > > show they were more interested in eye shadow. so just who were these > > > thieves > > > > and where did the gold go remember this was ancient times.? > > > > The gold should be track able. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Here's a morning "stab in the dark" Allan. Slaves were war booty- > > > > > along with treasure, maybe horses and food supplies- so the Jews > were > > > > > present in Egypt and held a variety of positions- some, > undoubtedly, > > > > > slave labor according to the OT and Cecile B. DeMille. The Jews > were > > > > > not great builders as Hiram of Tyre had to send builders and > materials > > > > > to Solomon, etc. Cities were coming of age so there must have been > > > > > architects as the temples are still awesome and one marvels at how > > > > > such massive stones and pillars were carved, lugged and placed > without > > > > > modern equipment! > > > > > > > Gold ornaments and jewelry are found in other ancient burial sites- > > > > > Greece- Troy- Ireland, etc. and it could have come from southern > > > > > Africa or Europe/modern Turkey. You will find a good amount of > these > > > > > ancient artifacts in museums or it has been remelted. Glass was > also > > > > > treasured and some insist it was developed in Phoenecia (modern > > > > > Lebanon) which was an active Mediterranean trader. By the way, I > think > > > > > museums are modern thieves of other people's cultures, China is > paying > > > > > high prices to retrieve its "stolen" past. Cleopatra was Greek- so > > > > > that would account for her introducing coins, perhaps. (Let's see > how > > > > > Angelini Jolie upstarts Liz Taylor's version! lol) > > > > > > > On Dec 19, 4:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am hoping someone has the answers as they have been bugging me > and > > > the > > > > > > more I find out the more I don't understand. > > > > > > > > I was taught that the Egyptian pyramids were built by jewish > slave > > > labor > > > > > > turns out that archeology shows that they were built by by the > > > Egyptians > > > > > > themselves part of their tax system. the other thing I am finding > out > > > is > > > > > > that they had no currency other than barter for grain. Ramses had > > > > > grainery > > > > > > complex large enough to feed all of egypt for over a year ,, now > that > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > lot of grain.. and the nile is a tremendous agricultural area > very > > > > > fertile. > > > > > > > > Now the only coins known to be minted were created by cleaopatra > and > > > were > > > > > of > > > > > > a helenistic design and were never in circulation. > > > > > > Now the Pharaohs are well known for the love of Gold in their > > > burials > > > > > and > > > > > > lots of it to. Now to my knowledge there are no major sources of > Gold > > > > > within > > > > > > the Egyptian borders which is not a problem as they had plenty of > > > grain > > > > > to > > > > > > trade for all the gold they wanted.. > > > > > > Nomadic tribes by their nature are not large 30 to 50 people at > best. > > > not > > > > > > hundreds of thousands as taught. one of the questions is what > > > happened > > > > > to > > > > > > the jews and just where were they? maybe still nomadic traders?? > > > Isreal > > > > > has > > > > > > no major gold mines to my knowledge. and apparently slavery was > not > > > a > > > > > big > > > > > > thing either, although i am sure the was some trade in it.. just > like > > > > > today > > > > > > it exist world wide,, but is not major.. > > > > > > > > The other question comes from the burial rites and the shear > quantity > > > of > > > > > > gold that was involved disappearing by tomb robbers, that would > be > > > like > > > > > > stealing all the gold out of the us depository at fort knox which > is > > > over > > > > > > 4,000 tonnes of gold andit is small comparired to new york's > vault > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > over 5,000 tonnes. what happened to all this gold it apparently > does > > > not > > > > > > show up in the ancient Egyptian culture > > > > > > > > My questions come to this > > > > > > 1: Where were all the jews in egypt in ancient times what did > they > > > > > actually > > > > > > do? > > > > > > 2: What happened to all the burial gold that was stolen from the > > > tombs > > > > > and > > > > > > we are not talking about a few ounces either more like it the > areas > > > of > > > > > tons. > > > > > > > > I hope some one can help me with these answers to these questions > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
