Thanks for the info about Persian mines as I did not know that- it seems gold is fairly well scattered about the globe but the problem is discovery and ease of access. Read an interesting comment about the Golden Fleece of Jason- the fleece turned golden as it was used as a sieve for stream golden nuggets of small size. Interesting!
Well, Allan, what history has ever been free of editing and rationalizing? None, to my knowledge. It generally takes a good deal of reading to get close to a balanced view of facts and reality. The Egyptian priests would also fit that theory of a closed society, wouldn't they? On Dec 23, 10:45 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Well Rigsy the problem I see is even though I have not read the book the > history of the Jews according to the Torah is turning out not to be accurate > so I have reason to question the basic validity of the jewish history > especially if that becomes one of the sources. especially if that covers the > ancient history.. > > Persian gold came from mines in the area,, I saw some actual working mines > that have been in existence and functioning for over 6,000 years and this > mine was on the northern edges of the old Persian empire. > > In the old egyptian empire where gold was not the center of commerce it > would be very difficult to hide plundered gold,, unless you were part of a > closed society that separated itself from the rest of the population.. > unfortunately that exactly fits the jewish population even today and was > part of the reason for their problems in Germany pre WW II. you see the same > problems occurring with the muslims and other sectarian groups. > > Hmmm the only real reason I can envision the egyptian army being mobilized > would be if they were chasing tomb robbers which was a very very serious > offense in ancient times. > Allan > > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:13 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Persia was the nation with the vast treasury at the time of Alexander. > > The time line is difficult- Egypt is 6,000 years old and the history > > of the Jews covers 4,000. A good book is "Jews, God and History" by > > Max I. Dimont which also illustrates the "musical chairs" of kingdoms > > in the Middle East and Mediterranean and each conquest was rewarded > > with plunder, rape and enslavement. Alexander intermarried his army > > with the conquered which has also diluted Catholicism and Judaism- > > also the recent Balkan strategy as well as that of Liberals/atheists. > > In the Valley of the Queens, the location of worker quarters were > > pointed out- who's to say secret entrances were not passed along or > > saved unless all the workers were killed- and just how did a few > > thieves manage to hide their treasure in those times? The Hebrews > > believed in one god and were surrounded by polytheism- except for a > > brief attempt at monotheism in Egypt- to me, that is the real tension > > plus the Hebrews had a moral code unlike the pagans. I suppose the > > commercialization of feasts like Christmas reminds us of that fact- > > the struggle between the State/capitalism/materialism or other "isms" > > and religious principles and observances; Henry VIII got that ball > > rolling in "modern" times.. A friend just sent me a review of books > > dealing with the massacre of Catholics at Vendee (France) during the > > period of their bloody revolution in the 1790"s. No wonder our > > founders were dubious!// I don't think you have been reading > > propaganda- just bad history. Joseph led the Jews into Egypt and Moses > > led them out. > > > On Dec 21, 2:23 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You are right lee the original story comes from the bible which > > originates > > > from the jewish torah .. what bothers me is the time line, being the > > story > > > I was raised with the story as truth..but it is turning out it is nothing > > > but propaganda. > > > > Rigsy this is all pre christian era and with the romans it was pretty > > much > > > over.. but even then there are not stories of the type of looting like > > what > > > occurred of Ramses tomb.. if it was raided by an army it would have been > > > recorded so we are looking at tomb raiders. > > > > it seems history has been written by those who want it for their > > advantage.. > > > to me that is irritating.. what is so wrong with the truth? > > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:44 PM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Where did you learn this? I think I have only ever heard this > > > > particular story from the Christian bible. > > > > > On Dec 20, 5:06 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rigsy that is my point the history we were taught is not the history > > > > that > > > > > is being found out today. the history as I was told was the pyramids > > > > were > > > > > totally built by jewish slave labor.. which has turned out to be not > > true > > > > > but more of a fabricated story presented as it was the absolute > > truth.. a > > > > > poor victimized people. which is just not true. > > > > > > The second part of the missing gold..all though all societies use > > some > > > > gold > > > > > the quantities are really minor when it comes to the quanity that was > > > > used > > > > > in the interment rites rights of the egyptian kings with massive > > > > amounts > > > > > of gold that were meant to remain where they were placed.. later > > kings > > > > > would not defile the graves simply because they did not want their > > own > > > > > defiled.. > > > > > > what bothers me this gold and artifacts are showing up today outside > > > > egypt > > > > > ,, but this gold is not showing up inside egypt probably mainly > > because > > > > it > > > > > was not a currency of exchange. the Grave robbers almost certianly > > had to > > > > be > > > > > outsiders to whom gold had value. records from the building of the > > > > pyramids > > > > > show they were more interested in eye shadow. so just who were these > > > > thieves > > > > > and where did the gold go remember this was ancient times.? > > > > > The gold should be track able. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Here's a morning "stab in the dark" Allan. Slaves were war booty- > > > > > > along with treasure, maybe horses and food supplies- so the Jews > > were > > > > > > present in Egypt and held a variety of positions- some, > > undoubtedly, > > > > > > slave labor according to the OT and Cecile B. DeMille. The Jews > > were > > > > > > not great builders as Hiram of Tyre had to send builders and > > materials > > > > > > to Solomon, etc. Cities were coming of age so there must have been > > > > > > architects as the temples are still awesome and one marvels at how > > > > > > such massive stones and pillars were carved, lugged and placed > > without > > > > > > modern equipment! > > > > > > > Gold ornaments and jewelry are found in other ancient burial sites- > > > > > > Greece- Troy- Ireland, etc. and it could have come from southern > > > > > > Africa or Europe/modern Turkey. You will find a good amount of > > these > > > > > > ancient artifacts in museums or it has been remelted. Glass was > > also > > > > > > treasured and some insist it was developed in Phoenecia (modern > > > > > > Lebanon) which was an active Mediterranean trader. By the way, I > > think > > > > > > museums are modern thieves of other people's cultures, China is > > paying > > > > > > high prices to retrieve its "stolen" past. Cleopatra was Greek- so > > > > > > that would account for her introducing coins, perhaps. (Let's see > > how > > > > > > Angelini Jolie upstarts Liz Taylor's version! lol) > > > > > > > On Dec 19, 4:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I am hoping someone has the answers as they have been bugging me > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > more I find out the more I don't understand. > > > > > > > > I was taught that the Egyptian pyramids were built by jewish > > slave > > > > labor > > > > > > > turns out that archeology shows that they were built by by the > > > > Egyptians > > > > > > > themselves part of their tax system. the other thing I am finding > > out > > > > is > > > > > > > that they had no currency other than barter for grain. Ramses had > > > > > > grainery > > > > > > > complex large enough to feed all of egypt for over a year ,, now > > that > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > lot of grain.. and the nile is a tremendous agricultural area > > very > > > > > > fertile. > > > > > > > > Now the only coins known to be minted were created by cleaopatra > > and > > > > were > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a helenistic design and were never in circulation. > > > > > > > Now the Pharaohs are well known for the love of Gold in their > > > > burials > > > > > > and > > > > > > > lots of it to. Now to my knowledge there are no major sources of > > Gold > > > > > > within > > > > > > > the Egyptian borders which is not a problem as they had plenty of > > > > grain > > > > > > to > > > > > > > trade for all the gold they wanted.. > > > > > > > Nomadic tribes by their nature are not large 30 to 50 people at > > best. > > > > not > > > > > > > hundreds of thousands as taught. one of the questions is what > > > > happened > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the jews and just where were they? maybe still nomadic traders?? > > > > Isreal > > > > > > has > > > > > > > no major gold mines to my knowledge. and apparently slavery was > > not > > > > a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing either, although i am sure the was some trade in it.. just > > like > > > > > > today > > > > > > > it exist world wide,, but is not major.. > > > > > > > > The other question comes from the burial rites and the shear > > quantity > > > > of > > > > > > > gold that was involved disappearing by tomb robbers, that would > > be > > > > like > > > > > > > stealing all the gold out of the us depository at fort knox which > > is > > > > over > > > > > > > 4,000 tonnes of gold andit is small comparired to new york's > > vault > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > over 5,000 tonnes. what happened to all this gold it apparently > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > show up in the ancient Egyptian culture > > > > > > > > My questions come to this > > > > > > > 1: Where were all the jews in egypt in ancient times what did > > they > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > 2: What happened to all the burial gold that was stolen from the > > > > tombs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > we are not talking about a few ounces either more like it the > > areas > > > > of > > > > > > tons. > > > > > > > > I hope some one can help me with these answers to these questions > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
