so why is gold so precious for us?? On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:53 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I forgot Persia! :-)//Well, Egypt was a power equal to Rome before > conquest and Alexandria was considered perhaps the greatest city of > all and I would guess gold was a currency in trade but would have to > research that. I think the emphasis was not on eye shadow-kohl- but > embalming and filling the pyramids with goods for the afterlife- Book > of the Dead- which was extremely ritualized. Often traps and hidden > accesses were built but robbers got in anyway so I suspect an "inside > job" or the result of being conquered as newer powers simply spread > the gold through trade or building their own treasury. I don't think > gold is such a plentiful, easy metal which accounts for its value and > part of the mission of later explorers was to seek new supplies in the > East or New World along with spices- pepper was once as valuable as > gold- as food spoiled quickly.//The Jews and others were definitely > seen as property when defeated. Rome was a huge slave owner, for > example, and those ancient kingdoms had a lot of ups and downs over > the centuries. How old is the story of King Midas? Anyway, there > probably is gold on the sea floor of the Mediterranean as well as > sunken ships of Spain from the Americas.//Maybe Wikipedia has a decent > history of gold, Allan, as I am just "winging it" from memory of what > I have read or seen. And we should remember Napoleon's expedition to > Egypt- 1798- which opened Egypt to colonial powers after the Battle of > the Pyramids. I think much treasure eventually wound up with the > French and British in spite of defilement of graves and temples; the > Ottomans should also be considered and possibly Russia.( What about > all the gold ornamentation of Christian and Orthodox worship? Or > jewelry and decorative arts like dishes and goblets? I think that gold > just kept being recycled.) Sorry for all the darting about of ideas > but that's how my mind works in the early morning! lol Just think how > the lure of gold hastened the takeover of lands from the Indians and > Spain in the USA. And how Baghdad's museum was sacked. I guess it's > true that people will do just about anything for money, sadly. > > On Dec 20, 11:06 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Rigsy that is my point the history we were taught is not the history > that > > is being found out today. the history as I was told was the pyramids > were > > totally built by jewish slave labor.. which has turned out to be not true > > but more of a fabricated story presented as it was the absolute truth.. a > > poor victimized people. which is just not true. > > > > The second part of the missing gold..all though all societies use some > gold > > the quantities are really minor when it comes to the quanity that was > used > > in the interment rites rights of the egyptian kings with massive > amounts > > of gold that were meant to remain where they were placed.. later kings > > would not defile the graves simply because they did not want their own > > defiled.. > > > > what bothers me this gold and artifacts are showing up today outside > egypt > > ,, but this gold is not showing up inside egypt probably mainly because > it > > was not a currency of exchange. the Grave robbers almost certianly had to > be > > outsiders to whom gold had value. records from the building of the > pyramids > > show they were more interested in eye shadow. so just who were these > thieves > > and where did the gold go remember this was ancient times.? > > The gold should be track able. > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Here's a morning "stab in the dark" Allan. Slaves were war booty- > > > along with treasure, maybe horses and food supplies- so the Jews were > > > present in Egypt and held a variety of positions- some, undoubtedly, > > > slave labor according to the OT and Cecile B. DeMille. The Jews were > > > not great builders as Hiram of Tyre had to send builders and materials > > > to Solomon, etc. Cities were coming of age so there must have been > > > architects as the temples are still awesome and one marvels at how > > > such massive stones and pillars were carved, lugged and placed without > > > modern equipment! > > > > > Gold ornaments and jewelry are found in other ancient burial sites- > > > Greece- Troy- Ireland, etc. and it could have come from southern > > > Africa or Europe/modern Turkey. You will find a good amount of these > > > ancient artifacts in museums or it has been remelted. Glass was also > > > treasured and some insist it was developed in Phoenecia (modern > > > Lebanon) which was an active Mediterranean trader. By the way, I think > > > museums are modern thieves of other people's cultures, China is paying > > > high prices to retrieve its "stolen" past. Cleopatra was Greek- so > > > that would account for her introducing coins, perhaps. (Let's see how > > > Angelini Jolie upstarts Liz Taylor's version! lol) > > > > > On Dec 19, 4:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am hoping someone has the answers as they have been bugging me and > the > > > > more I find out the more I don't understand. > > > > > > I was taught that the Egyptian pyramids were built by jewish slave > labor > > > > turns out that archeology shows that they were built by by the > Egyptians > > > > themselves part of their tax system. the other thing I am finding out > is > > > > that they had no currency other than barter for grain. Ramses had > > > grainery > > > > complex large enough to feed all of egypt for over a year ,, now that > is > > > a > > > > lot of grain.. and the nile is a tremendous agricultural area very > > > fertile. > > > > > > Now the only coins known to be minted were created by cleaopatra and > were > > > of > > > > a helenistic design and were never in circulation. > > > > Now the Pharaohs are well known for the love of Gold in their > burials > > > and > > > > lots of it to. Now to my knowledge there are no major sources of Gold > > > within > > > > the Egyptian borders which is not a problem as they had plenty of > grain > > > to > > > > trade for all the gold they wanted.. > > > > Nomadic tribes by their nature are not large 30 to 50 people at best. > not > > > > hundreds of thousands as taught. one of the questions is what > happened > > > to > > > > the jews and just where were they? maybe still nomadic traders?? > Isreal > > > has > > > > no major gold mines to my knowledge. and apparently slavery was not > a > > > big > > > > thing either, although i am sure the was some trade in it.. just like > > > today > > > > it exist world wide,, but is not major.. > > > > > > The other question comes from the burial rites and the shear quantity > of > > > > gold that was involved disappearing by tomb robbers, that would be > like > > > > stealing all the gold out of the us depository at fort knox which is > over > > > > 4,000 tonnes of gold andit is small comparired to new york's vault > which > > > is > > > > over 5,000 tonnes. what happened to all this gold it apparently does > not > > > > show up in the ancient Egyptian culture > > > > > > My questions come to this > > > > 1: Where were all the jews in egypt in ancient times what did they > > > actually > > > > do? > > > > 2: What happened to all the burial gold that was stolen from the > tombs > > > and > > > > we are not talking about a few ounces either more like it the areas > of > > > tons. > > > > > > I hope some one can help me with these answers to these questions > > > > Allan > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- \--/ Peace
