I know what you mean Gabby I think a lot of the people went to the other thing.. was interesting but to confusing to my simple mind.. You are very much part of the group.. and a lot of members have become lurkers.. Allan
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you very much, Ash, for keeping the "Minds Eye" idea alive. For > writing into the almost empty memory store. Goes for all participants > here, of course. Sorry to interrupt. Lee/ Allan/ others, your replies. > > On 16 Jan., 06:17, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 1/14/2011 2:09 AM, iam deheretic wrote: > > > > > Interesting question Lee > > > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:41 AM, [email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > Hey Allan, > > > > > But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world > of > > > your gifts? > > > > > My personal opinion, I think this world is kind of a trial period in > > > which we respond to the situations that surround us. The object of > > > life is find and get to know the Father Creator and the situations > > > that occur in our life bring us to the awareness of his existence. To > > > me that is the most important thing in life. Then life becomes a > > > celebration (including the difficult times) which is shared with > > > others,,so they too can find and get to know the Father Creator. > > > To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when > > > one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem and I > > > think in most cases they turn into their ego and are of little value > > > to the rest of life. Now there are some cases where medically > > > prolonging life is just as wrong. > > > This probably makes no sense. > > > Allan > > > > It makes a lot of sense, being invested in something greater than > > oneself (or immediate desires/challenges) can tap into a limitless > > potential for overcoming. I've heard of people coming to very deep > > insights into the meaning of things and ability to control how they > > 'see' their pain in extreme circumstances. > > > > "But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world of > > your gifts?" > > > > I've been thinking in terms of waste, all else aside it would be a > > greater waste to forego potential growth and deprive both oneself and > > community of the fruits of it. > > > > "To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when > > one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem " > > > > -and in the cases where it is not an egoistic thing you realize there is > > no God? Just kidding! > > > > For me God was a big problem in my youth, it was not until I discarded > > my conditioned alignments (full apostasy took some time) and studied a > > lot about anthropology, metaphysics and philosophy that the concept > > became what it should have been when I needed it then- inspiring of > > hope. Trying to believe can be hell, but I think the brain is wired to > > desire or believe good things so it probably works for 9/10. The 1/10, I > > guess are rotten apples. Not to identify you as either one Allan I > > wouldn't presume what/where your beliefs come from. However, I don't > > think the God I'd invent (which I believe we have the full right to do) > > would have much problem with it. It does seem funny to me that some > > think we have free will to decide whether to burn in hell forever if we > > can't endure torment or torturous circumstances, just funny. It starts > > sounding like the Jinh, or some who swear the oath not to lie, mostly > > technicalities as one could get someone else to do it for them- perhaps > > one could even die well in that case. Hope your Father Creator isn't > > like that, that would frankly suck IMO. > > > > Is the 'Father Creator' from a formal belief system, which one if so? > > > > ps. the ratios were pulled out of thin air ;-) > > > > > On Jan 12, 7:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Pol. I think that is only an illusion. What happens if death is > > > not as it > > > > is often presented but rather are resurrection it a totally > > > different life > > > > determined by how you responded to this life. and there are > > > some natural > > > > laws that apply whether you admit to them or not. and everyone is > > > > accountable. Also when you commit suicide you deprive the world > > > of your > > > > gifts. Like all concepts there are exceptions and those are > > > dealt with on a > > > > case by case basis. As a whole I would not count on being the > > > exemption. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, pol.science kid > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote: > > > > > > > i think the decision to not live is an active decision..i > > > think it is the > > > > > only decision you do make...a free decision..a rebellion...its > > > you.. > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, RP Singh <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by > > > committing > > > > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it > > > hundredfold. > > > > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his > > > demise is > > > > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. > > > Escapism is no > > > > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all > > > hardships. To > > > > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually > > > come, why > > > > >> prepone it. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
