Well, in a Democracy, we wind up being complicit in our fate by giving the power of the vote to all...the roar of the crowd.
On Jan 18, 5:36 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Heh yeah death and taxes, as the saying goes. > > I find the notion of death as taboo very strange, I mean there is > literaly no escapeing death. > > On Jan 18, 3:06 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 1/17/2011 8:08 AM, [email protected] wrote:> Ash, > > > > You say that 'it would be a greater waste to forego potential growth > > > and deprive both oneself and > > > community of the fruits of it.' > > > > I suppose then the oprative word here is potential. Shrouded in the > > > unkown future as all potiential must be, then the truth is we just > > > have no way of knowing if a persons potiantial is towards great harm > > > or benifit for them selves and their community. > > > > So this is not really a call that you or I or anybody can make with > > > any degree of certianty. We are still left then with the individuals > > > right to determine his own life or death. > > > I could agree to that, even more so if those around them can see it as > > meeting their fate head on. The US culture seems to take death as taboo, > > but there are still grit iron people around who would be proud to have > > worked or fought to their dying breath, or something anything other than > > going out with a whimper even if it is just to stare death in the face > > at the last moment. Uncertainty the only certainty then? > > > > On Jan 16, 5:17 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 1/14/2011 2:09 AM, iam deheretic wrote: > > > >>> Interesting question Lee > > >>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:41 AM, [email protected] > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>> Hey Allan, > > >>> But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world > > >>> of > > >>> your gifts? > > >>> My personal opinion, I think this world is kind of a trial period in > > >>> which we respond to the situations that surround us. The object of > > >>> life is find and get to know the Father Creator and the situations > > >>> that occur in our life bring us to the awareness of his existence. To > > >>> me that is the most important thing in life. Then life becomes a > > >>> celebration (including the difficult times) which is shared with > > >>> others,,so they too can find and get to know the Father Creator. > > >>> To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when > > >>> one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem and I > > >>> think in most cases they turn into their ego and are of little value > > >>> to the rest of life. Now there are some cases where medically > > >>> prolonging life is just as wrong. > > >>> This probably makes no sense. > > >>> Allan > > >> It makes a lot of sense, being invested in something greater than > > >> oneself (or immediate desires/challenges) can tap into a limitless > > >> potential for overcoming. I've heard of people coming to very deep > > >> insights into the meaning of things and ability to control how they > > >> 'see' their pain in extreme circumstances. > > > >> "But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world of > > >> your gifts?" > > > >> I've been thinking in terms of waste, all else aside it would be a > > >> greater waste to forego potential growth and deprive both oneself and > > >> community of the fruits of it. > > > >> "To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when > > >> one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem " > > > >> -and in the cases where it is not an egoistic thing you realize there is > > >> no God? Just kidding! > > > >> For me God was a big problem in my youth, it was not until I discarded > > >> my conditioned alignments (full apostasy took some time) and studied a > > >> lot about anthropology, metaphysics and philosophy that the concept > > >> became what it should have been when I needed it then- inspiring of > > >> hope. Trying to believe can be hell, but I think the brain is wired to > > >> desire or believe good things so it probably works for 9/10. The 1/10, I > > >> guess are rotten apples. Not to identify you as either one Allan I > > >> wouldn't presume what/where your beliefs come from. However, I don't > > >> think the God I'd invent (which I believe we have the full right to do) > > >> would have much problem with it. It does seem funny to me that some > > >> think we have free will to decide whether to burn in hell forever if we > > >> can't endure torment or torturous circumstances, just funny. It starts > > >> sounding like the Jinh, or some who swear the oath not to lie, mostly > > >> technicalities as one could get someone else to do it for them- perhaps > > >> one could even die well in that case. Hope your Father Creator isn't > > >> like that, that would frankly suck IMO. > > > >> Is the 'Father Creator' from a formal belief system, which one if so? > > > >> ps. the ratios were pulled out of thin air ;-) > > > >>> On Jan 12, 7:27 am, iam deheretic<[email protected] > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>> > Pol. I think that is only an illusion. What happens if death is > > >>> not as it > > >>> > is often presented but rather are resurrection it a totally > > >>> different life > > >>> > determined by how you responded to this life. and there are > > >>> some natural > > >>> > laws that apply whether you admit to them or not. and everyone > > >>> is > > >>> > accountable. Also when you commit suicide you deprive the world > > >>> of your > > >>> > gifts. Like all concepts there are exceptions and those are > > >>> dealt with on a > > >>> > case by case basis. As a whole I would not count on being the > > >>> exemption. > > >>> > Allan > > >>> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, pol.science kid > > >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote: > > >>> > > i think the decision to not live is an active decision..i > > >>> think it is the > > >>> > > only decision you do make...a free decision..a > > >>> rebellion...its > > >>> you.. > > >>> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, RP Singh<[email protected] > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>> > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by > > >>> committing > > >>> > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it > > >>> hundredfold. > > >>> > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his > > >>> demise is > > >>> > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. > > >>> Escapism is no > > >>> > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all > > >>> hardships. To > > >>> > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will > > >>> eventually > > >>> come, why > > >>> > >> prepone it. > > >>> > > -- > > >>> > > \--/ Peace > > >>> > -- > > >>> > ( > > >>> > ) > > >>> > I_D Allan > > >>> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >>> > - Show quoted text - > > >>> -- > > >>> ( > > >>> ) > > >>> I_D Allan > > >>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
