Ash, You say that 'it would be a greater waste to forego potential growth and deprive both oneself and community of the fruits of it.'
I suppose then the oprative word here is potential. Shrouded in the unkown future as all potiential must be, then the truth is we just have no way of knowing if a persons potiantial is towards great harm or benifit for them selves and their community. So this is not really a call that you or I or anybody can make with any degree of certianty. We are still left then with the individuals right to determine his own life or death. On Jan 16, 5:17 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1/14/2011 2:09 AM, iam deheretic wrote: > > > > > Interesting question Lee > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:41 AM, [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Hey Allan, > > > But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world of > > your gifts? > > > My personal opinion, I think this world is kind of a trial period in > > which we respond to the situations that surround us. The object of > > life is find and get to know the Father Creator and the situations > > that occur in our life bring us to the awareness of his existence. To > > me that is the most important thing in life. Then life becomes a > > celebration (including the difficult times) which is shared with > > others,,so they too can find and get to know the Father Creator. > > To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when > > one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem and I > > think in most cases they turn into their ego and are of little value > > to the rest of life. Now there are some cases where medically > > prolonging life is just as wrong. > > This probably makes no sense. > > Allan > > It makes a lot of sense, being invested in something greater than > oneself (or immediate desires/challenges) can tap into a limitless > potential for overcoming. I've heard of people coming to very deep > insights into the meaning of things and ability to control how they > 'see' their pain in extreme circumstances. > > "But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world of > your gifts?" > > I've been thinking in terms of waste, all else aside it would be a > greater waste to forego potential growth and deprive both oneself and > community of the fruits of it. > > "To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when > one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem " > > -and in the cases where it is not an egoistic thing you realize there is > no God? Just kidding! > > For me God was a big problem in my youth, it was not until I discarded > my conditioned alignments (full apostasy took some time) and studied a > lot about anthropology, metaphysics and philosophy that the concept > became what it should have been when I needed it then- inspiring of > hope. Trying to believe can be hell, but I think the brain is wired to > desire or believe good things so it probably works for 9/10. The 1/10, I > guess are rotten apples. Not to identify you as either one Allan I > wouldn't presume what/where your beliefs come from. However, I don't > think the God I'd invent (which I believe we have the full right to do) > would have much problem with it. It does seem funny to me that some > think we have free will to decide whether to burn in hell forever if we > can't endure torment or torturous circumstances, just funny. It starts > sounding like the Jinh, or some who swear the oath not to lie, mostly > technicalities as one could get someone else to do it for them- perhaps > one could even die well in that case. Hope your Father Creator isn't > like that, that would frankly suck IMO. > > Is the 'Father Creator' from a formal belief system, which one if so? > > ps. the ratios were pulled out of thin air ;-) > > > > > On Jan 12, 7:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Pol. I think that is only an illusion. What happens if death is > > not as it > > > is often presented but rather are resurrection it a totally > > different life > > > determined by how you responded to this life. and there are > > some natural > > > laws that apply whether you admit to them or not. and everyone is > > > accountable. Also when you commit suicide you deprive the world > > of your > > > gifts. Like all concepts there are exceptions and those are > > dealt with on a > > > case by case basis. As a whole I would not count on being the > > exemption. > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, pol.science kid > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote: > > > > > i think the decision to not live is an active decision..i > > think it is the > > > > only decision you do make...a free decision..a rebellion...its > > you.. > > > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, RP Singh <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by > > committing > > > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it > > hundredfold. > > > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his > > demise is > > > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. > > Escapism is no > > > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all > > hardships. To > > > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually > > come, why > > > >> prepone it. > > > > > -- > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
