On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting that Ovid wrote a (now lost?) tragedy named Madea, which the > Medea Hypothesis was probably named for. > > "The Medea Hypothesis is a term coined by paleontologist Peter Ward for the > anti-Gaian hypothesis that multicellular life, understood as a > superorganism, is suicidal" -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_hypothesis > > Yes
> If only knowledge foraging could make money... ;-) That would be fantastic. Allan > > > On 1/19/2011 7:53 AM, rigsy03 wrote: > >> Does paradise diminish real life? >> >> Does the public know the "real" person? Homer is thought to be a >> multiple of bards. There are often surprises that pop up about people >> before and after death. >> >> The pagans-Rome/Ovid felt love was the glue of existence so the >> solution has been around for a while. Unfortunately, the pagan gods >> and goddesses were in one uproar after another although I think Ovid >> presents a perfect couple- sweet and virtuous. >> >> On Jan 19, 6:02 am, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Ummm well of course not all religion promise an after life. But even >>> that 'after life' means one must die first, so no escape there. >>> >>> I can almost agree with the other escape, I guess if you or your works >>> are remembered long after your death then at least in memeroy you >>> still live, but memory clouds and changes the longer they go on, and >>> so the real you is still ost to the legend. >>> >>> On Jan 18, 12:53 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The escape has been religion which promises an afterlife and that has >>>> had an enormous impact on human behavior. The other escape has been >>>> worldly fame of some sort to land one in a history book or part of >>>> some Canon- music, literature,etc. I think it creates a split psyche. >>>> Render unto Caesar/God kind of tension. Even family memories are >>>> limited, in most cases, to a generation or two. I think we dread death >>>> beacuse we might feel unfinished in some way and there is no way to >>>> retrieve the experience of life from the start- like that saying "if I >>>> knew then what I know now". Just an opinion. >>>> On Jan 18, 5:36 am, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heh yeah death and taxes, as the saying goes. >>>>> I find the notion of death as taboo very strange, I mean there is >>>>> literaly no escapeing death. >>>>> On Jan 18, 3:06 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/17/2011 8:08 AM, [email protected] wrote:> Ash, >>>>>> >>>>>>> You say that 'it would be a greater waste to forego potential growth >>>>>>> and deprive both oneself and >>>>>>> community of the fruits of it.' >>>>>>> I suppose then the oprative word here is potential. Shrouded in the >>>>>>> unkown future as all potiential must be, then the truth is we just >>>>>>> have no way of knowing if a persons potiantial is towards great harm >>>>>>> or benifit for them selves and their community. >>>>>>> So this is not really a call that you or I or anybody can make with >>>>>>> any degree of certianty. We are still left then with the individuals >>>>>>> right to determine his own life or death. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I could agree to that, even more so if those around them can see it as >>>>>> meeting their fate head on. The US culture seems to take death as >>>>>> taboo, >>>>>> but there are still grit iron people around who would be proud to have >>>>>> worked or fought to their dying breath, or something anything other >>>>>> than >>>>>> going out with a whimper even if it is just to stare death in the face >>>>>> at the last moment. Uncertainty the only certainty then? >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 16, 5:17 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/14/2011 2:09 AM, iam deheretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Interesting question Lee >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:41 AM, [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hey Allan, >>>>>>>>> But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the >>>>>>>>> world of >>>>>>>>> your gifts? >>>>>>>>> My personal opinion, I think this world is kind of a trial period >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> which we respond to the situations that surround us. The object of >>>>>>>>> life is find and get to know the Father Creator and the situations >>>>>>>>> that occur in our life bring us to the awareness of his existence. >>>>>>>>> To >>>>>>>>> me that is the most important thing in life. Then life becomes a >>>>>>>>> celebration (including the difficult times) which is shared with >>>>>>>>> others,,so they too can find and get to know the Father Creator. >>>>>>>>> To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem and >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> think in most cases they turn into their ego and are of little >>>>>>>>> value >>>>>>>>> to the rest of life. Now there are some cases where medically >>>>>>>>> prolonging life is just as wrong. >>>>>>>>> This probably makes no sense. >>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It makes a lot of sense, being invested in something greater than >>>>>>>> oneself (or immediate desires/challenges) can tap into a limitless >>>>>>>> potential for overcoming. I've heard of people coming to very deep >>>>>>>> insights into the meaning of things and ability to control how they >>>>>>>> 'see' their pain in extreme circumstances. >>>>>>>> "But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> your gifts?" >>>>>>>> I've been thinking in terms of waste, all else aside it would be a >>>>>>>> greater waste to forego potential growth and deprive both oneself >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> community of the fruits of it. >>>>>>>> "To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem " >>>>>>>> -and in the cases where it is not an egoistic thing you realize >>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>> no God? Just kidding! >>>>>>>> For me God was a big problem in my youth, it was not until I >>>>>>>> discarded >>>>>>>> my conditioned alignments (full apostasy took some time) and studied >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> lot about anthropology, metaphysics and philosophy that the concept >>>>>>>> became what it should have been when I needed it then- inspiring of >>>>>>>> hope. Trying to believe can be hell, but I think the brain is wired >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> desire or believe good things so it probably works for 9/10. The >>>>>>>> 1/10, I >>>>>>>> guess are rotten apples. Not to identify you as either one Allan I >>>>>>>> wouldn't presume what/where your beliefs come from. However, I don't >>>>>>>> think the God I'd invent (which I believe we have the full right to >>>>>>>> do) >>>>>>>> would have much problem with it. It does seem funny to me that some >>>>>>>> think we have free will to decide whether to burn in hell forever if >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> can't endure torment or torturous circumstances, just funny. It >>>>>>>> starts >>>>>>>> sounding like the Jinh, or some who swear the oath not to lie, >>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>> technicalities as one could get someone else to do it for them- >>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>> one could even die well in that case. Hope your Father Creator isn't >>>>>>>> like that, that would frankly suck IMO. >>>>>>>> Is the 'Father Creator' from a formal belief system, which one if >>>>>>>> so? >>>>>>>> ps. the ratios were pulled out of thin air ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 7:27 am, iam deheretic<[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Pol. I think that is only an illusion. What happens if >>>>>>>>> death is >>>>>>>>> not as it >>>>>>>>> > is often presented but rather are resurrection it a >>>>>>>>> totally >>>>>>>>> different life >>>>>>>>> > determined by how you responded to this life. and there >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> some natural >>>>>>>>> > laws that apply whether you admit to them or not. and >>>>>>>>> everyone is >>>>>>>>> > accountable. Also when you commit suicide you deprive the >>>>>>>>> world >>>>>>>>> of your >>>>>>>>> > gifts. Like all concepts there are exceptions and those >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> dealt with on a >>>>>>>>> > case by case basis. As a whole I would not count on being >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> exemption. >>>>>>>>> > Allan >>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, pol.science kid >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > i think the decision to not live is an active >>>>>>>>> decision..i >>>>>>>>> think it is the >>>>>>>>> > > only decision you do make...a free decision..a >>>>>>>>> rebellion...its >>>>>>>>> you.. >>>>>>>>> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, RP Singh< >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape >>>>>>>>> pain by >>>>>>>>> committing >>>>>>>>> > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he >>>>>>>>> increases it >>>>>>>>> hundredfold. >>>>>>>>> > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends >>>>>>>>> feel at his >>>>>>>>> demise is >>>>>>>>> > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that >>>>>>>>> individual. >>>>>>>>> Escapism is no >>>>>>>>> > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear >>>>>>>>> through all >>>>>>>>> hardships. To >>>>>>>>> > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will >>>>>>>>> eventually >>>>>>>>> come, why >>>>>>>>> > >> prepone it. >>>>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>>>> > > \--/ Peace >>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>> > ( >>>>>>>>> > ) >>>>>>>>> > I_D Allan >>>>>>>>> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>>>>>>>> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted >>>>>>>>> text - >>>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> I_D Allan >>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>> - Show quoted text - >>> >> > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
