On 1/14/2011 2:09 AM, iam deheretic wrote:
Interesting question Lee
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:41 AM, [email protected]
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Hey Allan,
But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world of
your gifts?
My personal opinion, I think this world is kind of a trial period in
which we respond to the situations that surround us. The object of
life is find and get to know the Father Creator and the situations
that occur in our life bring us to the awareness of his existence. To
me that is the most important thing in life. Then life becomes a
celebration (including the difficult times) which is shared with
others,,so they too can find and get to know the Father Creator.
To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when
one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem and I
think in most cases they turn into their ego and are of little value
to the rest of life. Now there are some cases where medically
prolonging life is just as wrong.
This probably makes no sense.
Allan
It makes a lot of sense, being invested in something greater than
oneself (or immediate desires/challenges) can tap into a limitless
potential for overcoming. I've heard of people coming to very deep
insights into the meaning of things and ability to control how they
'see' their pain in extreme circumstances.
"But when you die a natural death do you not also deprive the world of
your gifts?"
I've been thinking in terms of waste, all else aside it would be a
greater waste to forego potential growth and deprive both oneself and
community of the fruits of it.
"To commit suicide is a very egoistic thing in a lot of cases and when
one suddenly realizes there is a God.. then you have a problem "
-and in the cases where it is not an egoistic thing you realize there is
no God? Just kidding!
For me God was a big problem in my youth, it was not until I discarded
my conditioned alignments (full apostasy took some time) and studied a
lot about anthropology, metaphysics and philosophy that the concept
became what it should have been when I needed it then- inspiring of
hope. Trying to believe can be hell, but I think the brain is wired to
desire or believe good things so it probably works for 9/10. The 1/10, I
guess are rotten apples. Not to identify you as either one Allan I
wouldn't presume what/where your beliefs come from. However, I don't
think the God I'd invent (which I believe we have the full right to do)
would have much problem with it. It does seem funny to me that some
think we have free will to decide whether to burn in hell forever if we
can't endure torment or torturous circumstances, just funny. It starts
sounding like the Jinh, or some who swear the oath not to lie, mostly
technicalities as one could get someone else to do it for them- perhaps
one could even die well in that case. Hope your Father Creator isn't
like that, that would frankly suck IMO.
Is the 'Father Creator' from a formal belief system, which one if so?
ps. the ratios were pulled out of thin air ;-)
On Jan 12, 7:27 am, iam deheretic<[email protected]
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> Pol. I think that is only an illusion. What happens if death is
not as it
> is often presented but rather are resurrection it a totally
different life
> determined by how you responded to this life. and there are
some natural
> laws that apply whether you admit to them or not. and everyone is
> accountable. Also when you commit suicide you deprive the world
of your
> gifts. Like all concepts there are exceptions and those are
dealt with on a
> case by case basis. As a whole I would not count on being the
exemption.
> Allan
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, pol.science kid
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
> > i think the decision to not live is an active decision..i
think it is the
> > only decision you do make...a free decision..a rebellion...its
you..
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, RP Singh<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by
committing
> >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it
hundredfold.
> >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his
demise is
> >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual.
Escapism is no
> >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all
hardships. To
> >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually
come, why
> >> prepone it.
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