Hm, I didn't mind your Shade lyrics appearing here, only I did not feel the level of relevance to your prose sentiment. Now I wonder what is wrong with me. I'll listen and learn.
Hello and welcome, by the way, AEzen! On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with you that there is only one Soul which may also be termed as > God. > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Æzen <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is my first post here, so I thought that this post I shared in > > another group would actually be a good introduction here =] > > > > *** > > > > "There are 2 ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a > > miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." > > - Einstein > > > > In science, nature - or at least energy - is taken to be something > > inert and void of consciousness. Only from some quirk in the evolution > > of chemistry arising in abiogenises, that engenders evolution of life > > is consciousness derived in ever more intricate and developed ways of > > expression. > > > > However, on the quantum level, it is the interaction of basic energies > > that give rise to the fundamental forces - the laws of natural > > behaviour (also referred to as the fundamental interactions). These > > most basic interactions of energy give rise to all the variety of > > chemical, biological relationships. That again go on to evolve ever > > further, to the point that the interaction of individuals gives rise > > to society, and then nations and global poltics and economics. Yet no > > matter the level of relationship or interaction we want to discuss, > > all relationships are built out of the same fundamental relationships > > between energies. > > > > To suggest that consciousness may exist in energy, yet just like a bit > > in a computer, a lone quanta of energy doesn't do very much. But build > > up the bits and a computer can do amazing things - but all from the > > same fundamentals of a simple 'On & Off'. Similarly, energy could > > simply be consciousness in an undeveloped 'raw' form. > > > > "God sleeps in the rock, dreams in the plant, stirs in the animal, and > > awakens in man." > > - Ibn al 'Arabi > > > > I am not referring to the God of any scripture. But Einsteins > > 'pantheistic' leniency towards seeing nature as divine. > > > > And I agree. I do not believe that a rock is conscious in the same > > sense as we ordinarly define consciousness... but that the very same > > interactions that have coellesced in a particular way to form a rock > > are the same that have have formed different relationships that have > > formed our biology. > > > > I'm basically dancing around the point that we are very much divine > > entities, that our lives are spiritual experiences - however, that > > doesn't entail the need for an individual soul. Merely that there is > > one eternal universal soul that we are apart of. > > > > You can intepret this in a religious context... but I don't see the > > need. If that is as it is, then that is simply it. And as much, > > science is the best tool we have to explore nature. In that sense, > > science, in my opinion, must realise that it IS very much a guide on > > morality & ethics, because it explains to us who we are and why we are > > as best it can. > > > > That rational argument must be the only true way to derive our ethics > > because it opens things up to be tested and see if they hold true. > > What consquences do our actions have? And how can we improve them, and > > improve ourselves? > > > > I am very much into Buddhist and Daoist philosophies. Though, I > > consider myself a 'Bukist' (my nickname amongst friends is Buk =] )... > > I believe that progress of an individual can only be made when they > > believe that they can live up to the highest moral ideals - even if we > > don't know what they are, to at least believe we can try and discover > > them > > > > I am neither a pessimist nor an optimist, yet a little of both. > > Buddhism has taught me the value of balance between all extremes. The > > middle path. All things in moderation - even moderation in moderation! > > > > It is healthy to explore the variety of life, yet even better is to > > come to understand the cycles of our own habits as individuals, and > > our general habits as humans. I believe that by being aware of our > > potential to cause harm form our animalistic nature, to our ability to > > be influenced under social pressures allows us to begin to free > > ourselves from them - to understand our nature and help express it in > > productive and creative ways. To choose the things that infuences us. > > > > Before I finish. I will say that I realise Buddhism as a religion is > > full of its own pitfalls of a religion. That it's socio-economic > > tradition is unsustainable and detrimental to a society. Yet, the core > > philosophy - that life is stressful, life is suffering brought about > > by our ignorance and attachments to certain things - is a beautiful, > > apt and in my experience, a true teaching of our human condition. > > Learning to be apart of life, but letting go of wanting more from each > > moment, and simply making the most of what is right in front of you. > > - That doesn't deny responsibility to make plans. It tries to free us > > from the stress of worry to allows us to then do our best in any > > particular moment, from having learned about the cycles, habbits and > > patterns of ourselves and nature - our greater nature. > > > > I will not deny that I wished more people understood Buddhism & Daoism > > in the way I have experienced those philosophies. But that's the crux > > for anyone. That we all think we're right. It's a contradtion to > > believe you're wrong!! Even if you think you are wrong now about > > something, an idea, an action - you are sitll thinking that you are > > right, in that moment, about being wrong, in another moment! > > > > Simply put, I understand that I would like to influence people to look > > into these philosophies. I have enjoyed them immensley and feel that > > they have truly taught me alot about how to meditate and observe > > myself, and thereby seeing so much of me in the others I see around > > me. > > > > *********** > > > > If I could tear you from your dream > > I’d wake you, and then maybe you’d see > > Building our statues for our pride with pain > > So that we may shade away the light of truth > > - Away the love… silhouette of ourselves > > Playing in our shadows… growing pale and ill > > - I hide from you, as you hide from me > > Concealing our view of our reality > > > > Chorus: > > I’m watchin you… watching you… > > Watching you… watching me… > > Watching you… watching you… > > Paranoid your watching me… > > I’m watchin you… watching you… > > Watching you… watching me… > > … Watching this… > > - My borderline mentality > > - Watching myself falling through my depravity > > > > Verse: > > I don’t understand what I am > > I know we can’t escape these things we are… > > The irony… is this individuality? > > Or are we caught behind a masquerade of lies? > > - Away the love… silhouette of ourselves > > Dancing in our shadows… growing stale and old > > - I colour you, as you colour me > > Drawing our minds through uncertainty" > > > > ************** > > > > The above are lyrics of my own from a song called 'Shade'. I hope you > > don't mind their appreance here =] I felt there some level of > > relevance to the sentiment I'm trying to express. > > > > I would appreciate any response, any counter points, or even what you > > may agree upon. I love discussion, and I love refining, undermining > > and discovering new ideas or perspectives. > > > > Thankyou > > - Æzen >
