Sorry RP I can't get with that at all, as you well know by now. A persons nature is not static but moves as the person does. It is possible to shake of the products of an 'early envirmonent', hence we have so many atheists from religious households.
Do we all act within the scope of Gods will? If this is true then no religous text would contain no words of punishment for denying Gods will. They do though, it is clear then that we have a choice to obey or not the will of God. There is a prayer prevalent in more than one of the worlds religions that runs basicly 'not my will ohh lord but yours' What is the meaning of this? Does it admit that there is one will and that is Gods, or does it beg God grant me the strenght to obey not my will but yours? I would obviously plump for the latter. What is religious dogma if not a list of things designed to get one to God? Why the need for it, if all was Gods will anyway? On Mar 1, 1:14 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > When a person thinks or acts he does so as if he were the master of > his will but in fact unknown to him various forces within himself are > taking him along as a current takes along a boat in turbulent waters. > Most of the times a man's motives are hidden to him , he acts > ostensibly for some reasons whereas the real motives lie in his > unconscious. This has been dealt in various books of psychology. If > you act according to your nature that nature was given to you by the > Almighty in the form of your genes and early environment , and so > whatever you do it is not your but God's doing. > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:39 PM, [email protected] > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Is that true though? Or is it better expresed thusly: > > > My nature has been created by both internal and external influences > > yet is still my nature, and thus is me? > > > What is the differance between a persons nature and a person? Is not > > the nature of the man, the man himself? > > > On Feb 28, 5:31 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My nature consists of the forces within me which bind my freedom of > >> will. In that context it can be said that your nature is separate from > >> you. > > >> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:32 PM, [email protected] > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > And you and your nature is seperate? > > >> > On Feb 27, 3:20 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Whether you adapt or you revolt , in either case it is not you but > >> >> your nature which makes the choice. > > >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:06 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Adaption may be phoney/false in order to survive/prosper/get along. > >> >> > Afterall, a child is controlled in beliefs and behaviors by his > >> >> > parents. The child cannot even change its name unless it goes to > >> >> > court- even marriage only changes the last name. (I was named to match > >> >> > family monograms on linens, silver and as a bone tossed to my father's > >> >> > ego and my mother's determination to establish a stake in a failing > >> >> > marriage.) The brain is not mature until the mid-twenties. > > >> >> > We should discuss motive and its role in making choices. Often motive > >> >> > is not apparent until you are beyond the choice or older and in the > >> >> > ruminating stage. > > >> >> > Women developed manipulation to an art form. Power is another > >> >> > important element in choice. > > >> >> > It is human to try various adaptions on for size. I thought of a line > >> >> > the other day: I tried on sin but found it unbecoming. > > >> >> > Some conditions are beyond human choice and adaption- violent acts of > >> >> > Nature, war zones, political and social clamps, etc. > > >> >> > If the more capable individual has adapted to baser systems, where's > >> >> > the courage or intelligence? > > >> >> > On Feb 26, 11:48 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> It is in the nature of an organism to adapt to his environment , > >> >> >> whether it is conscious or unconscious. The more capable an organism > >> >> >> the better its coping behaviour and adaptability , that which you > >> >> >> cannot change you adapt to. > > >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > So is morality/religion a means/tool of adaptation? > > >> >> >> > On Feb 26, 9:17 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> It depends upon man's nature and the opportunities in his > >> >> >> >> environment > >> >> >> >> that result in successive environments. > > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 6:36 AM, kenny <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > "and how shall man hope to see himself as nature made him, > >> >> >> >> > across all > >> >> >> >> > the changes which the succession of place and time must have > >> >> >> >> > produced > >> >> >> >> > in his original composition". rousseau > > >> >> >> >> > On Feb 25, 9:32 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> We have choice but it is limited by our motivational forces. > >> >> >> >> >> We go to > >> >> >> >> >> a restaurant and order food by choice but according to our > >> >> >> >> >> taste buds > >> >> >> >> >> or health habits. Our freedom is bound by many factors , some > >> >> >> >> >> of which > >> >> >> >> >> we are not even aware of. The choice is ours and the > >> >> >> >> >> responsibility is > >> >> >> >> >> ours but the motivating force behind the curtain is determined > >> >> >> >> >> by our > >> >> >> >> >> nature. On being confronted by a bully the meek among us act > >> >> >> >> >> with > >> >> >> >> >> timidity but the bold among us act with aggression. Our nature > >> >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> >> determined to a large extent by factors beyond our control , > >> >> >> >> >> we are > >> >> >> >> >> not responsible for our genes or the environment in which we > >> >> >> >> >> were born > >> >> >> >> >> and yet they are responsible for our nature. The desire to > >> >> >> >> >> change > >> >> >> >> >> ourselves , to improve ourselves comes from within us and is > >> >> >> >> >> innate in > >> >> >> >> >> us , what we see as our freedom has causative factors of which > >> >> >> >> >> we are > >> >> >> >> >> not aware. > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:21 PM, pol.science kid > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > I was thinking...it is our ability to make a choice that > >> >> >> >> >> > makes us > >> >> >> >> >> > moral beings....but is it necessary that animals dont make a > >> >> >> >> >> > choice...and do we really make an active choice....and i > >> >> >> >> >> > would like > >> >> >> >> >> > someone to talk about responsibility in the same sense...- > >> >> >> >> >> > Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
