Assuming one has "right reason"- one can be thoroughly wrong and sound logical. And some instincts are right on the mark- it is sometimes called "woman's intuition" or a sixth sense plus instinct can lead to great acts of courage such as firemen, police and warriors are capable of but also ordinary people who lift cars to rescue a trapped victim or return to a burning house to save the children. How many times have some had an uneasy feeling about a matter but reasoned their way to the opposite view/act then regretted it later? Furthermore, we really do not have freedom of will since we are social creatures and must constantly adapt our behavior to the group norms. In fact, our wills are bent to the dictates of religion, law and society whether we like it or not, whether it is fair and just or not or whether it suits our personality and disposition.
On Mar 6, 10:26 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > To all intents and purposes we have freedom of will , so follow your > reason and not your impulse. > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:54 PM, pol.science kid <[email protected]> wrote: > > will freedom of will beovercoming the impulse and making a decision > > otherwise..or will it following your instinct against your reason.....why > > does one need freedom..... > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:01 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> My nature consists of the forces within me which bind my freedom of > >> will. In that context it can be said that your nature is separate from > >> you. > > >> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:32 PM, [email protected] > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > And you and your nature is seperate? > > >> > On Feb 27, 3:20 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Whether you adapt or you revolt , in either case it is not you but > >> >> your nature which makes the choice. > > >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:06 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Adaption may be phoney/false in order to survive/prosper/get along. > >> >> > Afterall, a child is controlled in beliefs and behaviors by his > >> >> > parents. The child cannot even change its name unless it goes to > >> >> > court- even marriage only changes the last name. (I was named to > >> >> > match > >> >> > family monograms on linens, silver and as a bone tossed to my > >> >> > father's > >> >> > ego and my mother's determination to establish a stake in a failing > >> >> > marriage.) The brain is not mature until the mid-twenties. > > >> >> > We should discuss motive and its role in making choices. Often motive > >> >> > is not apparent until you are beyond the choice or older and in the > >> >> > ruminating stage. > > >> >> > Women developed manipulation to an art form. Power is another > >> >> > important element in choice. > > >> >> > It is human to try various adaptions on for size. I thought of a line > >> >> > the other day: I tried on sin but found it unbecoming. > > >> >> > Some conditions are beyond human choice and adaption- violent acts of > >> >> > Nature, war zones, political and social clamps, etc. > > >> >> > If the more capable individual has adapted to baser systems, where's > >> >> > the courage or intelligence? > > >> >> > On Feb 26, 11:48 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> It is in the nature of an organism to adapt to his environment , > >> >> >> whether it is conscious or unconscious. The more capable an organism > >> >> >> the better its coping behaviour and adaptability , that which you > >> >> >> cannot change you adapt to. > > >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > So is morality/religion a means/tool of adaptation? > > >> >> >> > On Feb 26, 9:17 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> It depends upon man's nature and the opportunities in his > >> >> >> >> environment > >> >> >> >> that result in successive environments. > > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 6:36 AM, kenny <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > "and how shall man hope to see himself as nature made him, > >> >> >> >> > across all > >> >> >> >> > the changes which the succession of place and time must have > >> >> >> >> > produced > >> >> >> >> > in his original composition". rousseau > > >> >> >> >> > On Feb 25, 9:32 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> We have choice but it is limited by our motivational forces. > >> >> >> >> >> We go to > >> >> >> >> >> a restaurant and order food by choice but according to our > >> >> >> >> >> taste buds > >> >> >> >> >> or health habits. Our freedom is bound by many factors , some > >> >> >> >> >> of which > >> >> >> >> >> we are not even aware of. The choice is ours and the > >> >> >> >> >> responsibility is > >> >> >> >> >> ours but the motivating force behind the curtain is determined > >> >> >> >> >> by our > >> >> >> >> >> nature. On being confronted by a bully the meek among us act > >> >> >> >> >> with > >> >> >> >> >> timidity but the bold among us act with aggression. Our nature > >> >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> >> determined to a large extent by factors beyond our control , > >> >> >> >> >> we are > >> >> >> >> >> not responsible for our genes or the environment in which we > >> >> >> >> >> were born > >> >> >> >> >> and yet they are responsible for our nature. The desire to > >> >> >> >> >> change > >> >> >> >> >> ourselves , to improve ourselves comes from within us and is > >> >> >> >> >> innate in > >> >> >> >> >> us , what we see as our freedom has causative factors of which > >> >> >> >> >> we are > >> >> >> >> >> not aware. > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:21 PM, pol.science kid > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > I was thinking...it is our ability to make a choice that > >> >> >> >> >> > makes us > >> >> >> >> >> > moral beings....but is it necessary that animals dont make a > >> >> >> >> >> > choice...and do we really make an active choice....and i > >> >> >> >> >> > would like > >> >> >> >> >> > someone to talk about responsibility in the same sense...- > >> >> >> >> >> > Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
