On Mar 11, 4:58 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> As I have said so often we are just playing out a script written and
> directed by God.
I fully agree!!
>And how is that ? We are the slaves of Nature , which
> includes our inner nature and the outer nature.
Again, spot on!
>We were born with
> specific genes which we did not choose and we were born in an
> environment which also was not by our choice , and these two resulted
> in our personality or nature which is the doer in us. As we grew up we
> started choosing our environment according to our capabilities and
> interest out of that which was available and that which was available
> also was that which the outer nature provided. As for me the physical
> and the living environment excluding me is the outer nature. We have
> the so-called freedom of choice , but our nature and the alternatives
> before us are as provided by Nature. We strive to change ourselves ,
> to improve ourselves , but that is a result of a drive which is innate
> in us. What I am saying is clear to me but to many it is nonsense and
> that is the result of our differing reasoning which is a physical and
> an experiential attribute. What is logical to me is illogical to you
> and that is our bondage.
>
All of our choices, though, are fixed in the space-time continuum,
which, by definition, contains ALL of space and time. For no other
reason, the future is, because of Special Relativity, just as fixed as
the past is. The only difference is that we have no access to the
future, so it 'appears' mutable. If we COULD see it, we would know it
was not mutable and that would be a terrible scenario. We would
always be saying, "I knew you were going to say/do that!" and life
would be a boring drudgery wit hno lessons to learn. Not being able
to see into the future is a great gift; one we should treasure, as it
the main reason we think before we act. And, that consideration time
prior to action is invaluable, as well. It is these two factors that
cause what I call the 'perfect illusion' of free will.
1) We cannot see into the future
but
2) We can speculate about what MAY occur
Those two factors conspire to give us the great gift of the appearance
of free will. It is JUST AS effective as the real thing, but the real
thing cannot be granted in a space-time continuum nor could it, for
other reasons, be granted by an omnipotent God that is One with whom
we are at one.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Mardi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 9, 10:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> There is only one ' will ' and that is of the Creator , what we are
> >> all doing is following that ' will '. God has made Nature in such a
> >> subtle way that there appear to be so many free individualities but in
> >> reality Freedom is just an ' illusion '.
>
> > RP, I understand your statement. But how do you understand the
> > distinction between the eternal divine spirit (atman) which is one
> > with eternal truth and therefore, of course, a pure expression of
> > "God's will" and the other "self" which we all experience as ourself
> > and which is our active agent in this world of illusion. So let us
> > grant that this world is an illusion and our perceived self is an
> > illusion. So it doesn't matter if freedom is an illusion - everything
> > is an illusion so in this context our illusory self in this illusory
> > world we still have illusory freedom of choice!! We don't live in the
> > consciousness of the absolute unlimited Reality. We live in this world
> > - unless some of us have attained realization!! So we're all playing
> > roles. But they are not roles set by God. They are roles that are the
> > result of our past choices, actions, and connections. We've created
> > these roles for ourselves; and we can choose to change those roles.
> > Yes, they are all role-playing, all illusion compared to the ultimate
> > Reality. But that's where we all are right now. This is the only
> > reality we are able to experience right now - unless, as I said, some
> > one of us is Realized already!- Hide quoted text -
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