Ahh get you. Yes I think I agree. Socrates would have us beliving that the unexamind life is not a life worth leading. On the whole I agree, and like you I will readily accept that I do so based on my subjective understanding and belifes.
When I was a little younger than I am now I used to say 'A philosophy that is not grounded in the reality of the situation is not a sound philosophy' and also 'Who made logic the king of thought' Both of which I still see no reason to adjust. They may on the surface look contradtictory when seen together, so allow me to explain. The philosophies or Ayn Rand, are in my opinion grounded in what humanity should be and so are by my maxim not worth persuing, rather persue a philosophy based around what we are. Logic is a fine tool, but we really can't say that it suits all occasions, and bearing inmind the firts maxim then it is foolish to pretend that all humanity are purley logical creatures. There are many modes of thought, and I belive it is better to choose the one appropriate to the job. If I act on logic alone, I may choose to save myself rather than save my young baby. I am already a fully paid up memeber of sociaty, I pay my taxes and put into sociaity in many ways. My baby has yet to take from sociaty before he reaches a stage where he can start to put back. If I throw logic out of the window and act instead out of love, I my sacrifice my life for that of my baby son. Which is correct? Now surly that depends on which mode of thought you are using. On Apr 14, 12:33 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> wrote: > Here I don't use right or wrong in a moral context. What I'm referring to is > the technique used to construct a belief system. IMO a belief system that > has no anchors in the common reality that we experience has a weak > foundation within that reality ( I realize that this is kinda wordy but I > can't think of a better way to put it ). If you use the precepts of that > common reality to assail the belief system then it will crumble under a > reasonably well thought out argument. > > Here 'wrong' is used to convey the idea of an erroneous technique in > building a personal belief system. > > Of course the argument could be made that this is a subjective viewpoint > based on my own personal belief system. And I'm perfectly willing to accept > that argument if it can replace my rationale with a better one. > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:34 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > I don't put any form of morality on the question of God or not God > > myself. > > > To belive in God is not right or wrong, and to activly believe there > > is no God, or to disbelive in a creative diety is also not right or > > wrong. They just are. > > > On Apr 9, 3:22 am, Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Apr 7, 5:18 am, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I do not believe that a supreme being created the universe etc. > > > > The term 'supreme being' is kinda tricky. If supreme is interpreted as > > > all powerful then yes, I agree. > > > > I believe that it's possible a superior entity (be that a single > > > organism or an advanced society) might have created the universe using > > > technology millions or possibly billions of years beyond our own. > > > > > This week A C Grayling brought out his book "The > > > > Good Book - A secular bible". > > > > In interview he stated that theism is harmful to > > > > individuals and society. > > > > The term theism as used here is too generic. I've seen some religious > > > organizations that I believe were truly interested in helping > > > individuals and society. OTOH, I doubt many people would consider Jim > > > Jones and his cult to be a good thing. > > > > Personally, I think that all worldviews should be based in a rational > > > belief system. It's fine to believe in a god as long as you have a > > > logical rationalization for your belief. > > > > Unfortunately for many people the need to believe in an afterlife > > > outweighs rational thought. > > > > > I would like to hear his argument on this matter. > > > > Why he thinks that theism is harmful. > > > > If he is indeed correct then there is an argument > > > > for the active promotion of atheism. > > > > What say you? > > > > IMO atheism is just as wrong as theism. It is an unsubstantiated > > > belief in the absence of a god. > > > > If you look at the way the universe is put together I'd say that there > > > were some valid reasons to infer the possibility of intelligent > > > design.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
