The future will always bare some resemblance to the past because the past
was the seed from which the future springs.

Suck on that Budda. :D

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]>wrote:

> lee thats a good thought , the future doesnt have to be like the
> past ,
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Heh I disagree.  Ohh not with all of it but this bit in particular.
> >
> > 'I'm just not capable of viewing the universe any other way.'
> >
> > So this is your belife that you are not now and never will be capable
> > of changeing your mind?
> >
> > Naaa I simply do not belive that.  Based on what evidance?  Have you
> > the abilty to look into your own future?
> >
> > Based on the evidance of life, and please feel free to contemplate the
> > same things for yourself, I have seen my father change his mind and
> > indeed some of his ways as he ages.  I am not the same man now that I
> > was even three years ago and have no reason not to suspect further
> > change as I both get older and read more and learn more.
> >
> > I'm willing to be you some serious money that you yourself have
> > changed since your teenage years(assuiming you are at least in you
> > late 20s by now?)
> >
> >
> > Of course you are capable of viewing the universe in other ways, man
> > why would you choose to restirct your future self in that way?
> >
> > On Apr 10, 1:41 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:38 PM, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Yes the atheist has made the same leap of faith that the theist has
> > > > made and only the agnostic is protecting his views with rational
> > > > argument.
> > >
> > > > I suppose that the choice between theism and atheism will always be a
> > > > leap of faith. For me it is just a matter of what seems most credible
> > > > but could change.
> > >
> > > > The important question, I suppose, is whether or not, theism is, on
> > > > balance good for nature or not.
> > >
> > > I would say that nature probably doesn't care. The real impact is on
> society
> > > and the individual.
> > >
> > > With individuals I think it depends on the person. Some people just
> need to
> > > feel like their belief systems are on a solid foundation irregardless
> of the
> > > fact that there is rot in the core - namely a flawed rationale.
> > >
> > > Some just can't accept that life is exactly what it appears to be and
> so
> > > ignore the shaky underpinnings of their beliefs in the hope that if
> they
> > > keep their eyes closed it makes the end of their existence unreal.
> Others
> > > reject the possibility of continued existence after death for fear of
> > > retribution by a vengeful god. The reasons for theism and atheism are
> many
> > > and varied.
> > >
> > > My point is that to consider the good and bad of theism and atheism you
> have
> > > to consider their reasons and the impact that they have on the
> individual
> > > and society in general.
> > >
> > > I would say that for some individuals a belief system that supports
> their
> > > needs is a good thing regardless of the rationale that it is built on.
> It
> > > gives meaning to their lives and provides a crutch for them to lean on.
> > >
> > > Often I wish I could lean on beliefs like that. I personally struggle
> > > through life trying to find purpose were there is none. For me there is
> no
> > > purpose in life other than the urge to spawn. That's a pretty
> depressing
> > > thought but unfortunately, I'm just not capable of viewing the universe
> any
> > > other way.
>

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