Ok. Nothing is nothing but everything that happens has to happen therefore nothing that happens is anything. I think I have it now. What happens when nothing is determined to be predetermined and yet something happens that didn't happen due to the lack of everything in the nothingness?
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Everything that happens has to happen , meaning all that you do you > are bound to do , i.e.your freedom of will is just apparent and not > real. The entire universe progresses on lines already fixed with no > chance of uncertainty. > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Chuck Bowling > <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is predeterminism? > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Nothing is just nothing and thus cannot control anything i.e. no > >> predeterminism. > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Chuck Bowling > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Scientists say that everything came out of nothing , > >> > > >> > I'm pretty sure that there are no scientists who claim that everything > >> > came > >> > from nothing. It's true that they don't understand the exact mechanism > >> > that > >> > resulted in our reality but only the pseudo-scientists claim that we > >> > came > >> > from nothing. > >> > > >> >> but they do not > >> >> believe in predeterminism as to them nothing is just that and cannot > >> >> control anything. > >> > > >> > I don't understand this statement. Can you clarify? > >> > > >> >> > >> >> But to me that nothing is God and everything that > >> >> comes out of It is predetermined. > >> > > >> > Ah. So you are saying that god is nothing. On that I would tend to > >> > agree. > >> > OTOH, this common reality that we all experience is built on a > >> > foundation of > >> > causality. Everything happens because something before it happened. We > >> > may > >> > not understand the precursor event but that doesn't mean that it > doesn't > >> > exist. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> The universe came out of nothing , > >> > > >> > Disagree - but with the reservation that I don't know everything and > >> > don't > >> > have a substantive argument beyond my own worldview to refute the > claim. > >> > > >> > > > > > >
