Ok. I'm not sure about the rest but it seems to me like one of the big problems with organized religion is people believing they know what the creator (if it exists) wants.
Also, I doubt that god needs nectar from us. If he/she/it is up there then he/she/it is probably too busy smoking some premo natures bounty to mess around with nectar - unless hes got the munchies. Then maybe he wants to pour some nectar on the brownies. As to belief being unmovable, I kinda feel sorry for anyone that inflexible. Life is fluid. Everything is subject to examination. Maybe beliefs more than anything else. On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:53 AM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]>wrote: > i didint want to offend RP . seems ...... questionable , nieave , ,, > to clame to know of hevenly things is to assurte having divine > qualitys , belife is likend to an ant gathering nectar for a queen , > to sit in the forest and only see the trees that are directly in frunt > of u , and not all around , at the same time to be able to have an un > moveable belife that works is a beutifule thing > > Chuck Bowling wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:58 AM, the taoist shaman <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > damn chuck , RP sounds like a hindu , i belive all religion leaves > > > room for interpretations , but to make definate and solid conclusions > > > seems ...... ? > > > > > > > Seems... What? > > > > > > > Chuck Bowling wrote: > > > > Sorry if I sound insulting but this just sounds like a bunch of > mystical > > > > obfuscation. You're not by chance trying to sell some self-help books > or > > > > starting your own cult are you? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:07 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > God is aware in the sense that He is all or all emanates from Him > and > > > > > thus automatically He knows everything and doesn't have to be aware > of > > > > > things like us mortals. In my opinion , we should not conceive of > Him > > > > > to be conscious in the way that we are because our consciousness > > > > > entails duality or is encompassed within borders. He is conscious > in > > > > > us , acts in us but in His separate state He is oblivious of all as > He > > > > > alone is and creation being changeable and subject to birth and > death > > > > > is just an illusion. In my view that which is not permanent can be > > > > > called an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > RP, are you suggesting that god is not conscious at all?...that > all > > > > > > god is/does etc. is unconscious? > > > > > > > > > > > > In either case, are you using one of the more common notions of > what > > > > > > conscious means…like being self aware and knowing what one is > doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 1:45 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , but > rather > > > the > > > > > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. He doesn't > look > > > at > > > > > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , rather > > > > > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in His > > > > > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can really > lay > > > down > > > > > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather thinkers > > > among > > > > > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and accepted > by > > > us > > > > > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider this life > > > > > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, [email protected] > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Hey Chuck, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything has > Gods > > > hand > > > > > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant then God > you > > > are > > > > > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They are > concepts > > > that > > > > > help > > > > > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. Whether > it > > > be > > > > > to > > > > > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to provide > us a > > > path > > > > > to > > > > > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two differant > > > plants to > > > > > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of it's own, > but > > > > > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real way > you > > > are > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all that it > > > does, as > > > > > >> >> you have designed it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. A much > > > easier > > > > > task > > > > > >> > than the original design. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily accept > the > > > > > possibility > > > > > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I think > that > > > > > anything > > > > > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be omniscient > to > > > us. > > > > > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that any > entity > > > that > > > > > could > > > > > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest > > > resemblance to > > > > > >> > anything we describe as a god. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to me: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn lame. > I > > > mean > > > > > come > > > > > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or set > fire to > > > a > > > > > wax > > > > > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send me to > hell > > > for > > > > > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a hot piece > of > > > > > tail? > > > > > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a better > way of > > > > > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an eternity. > Even > > > we > > > > > lowly > > > > > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the best way > to > > > > > convince 'em > > > > > >> > to mend their ways. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality then at a > > > minimum > > > > > he > > > > > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In this > one > > > there > > > > > are an > > > > > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's > > > 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 > > > > > stars > > > > > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that with all > > > that > > > > > stuff > > > > > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have better > things > > > to > > > > > do than > > > > > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered with a > brand > > > new > > > > > bike on > > > > > >> > his birthday. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of this > would > > > see > > > > > us as > > > > > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is it God > > > doing > > > > > it ? > > > > > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the > strength to > > > do > > > > > it. > > > > > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do anything > wouldn't > > > > > come to > > > > > >> >> > > my mind. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can you be > > > more > > > > > >> >> > specific? > > > > > >> >> > Is he providing your mitochondria with more ADP or is he > upping > > > > > your > > > > > >> >> > serotonin or dopamine levels to give you a greater feeling > of > > > > > reward for > > > > > >> >> > your accomplishments? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > And, if so, can you tell me exactly how he does that? I > mean, > > > is he > > > > > >> >> > causing > > > > > >> >> > re-uptake inhibition or is he actually producing a greater > > > volume > > > > > of > > > > > >> >> > chemical messengers at the synapse? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > I guess if it's psychological strength it would have to be > the > > > > > latter. > > > > > >> >> > If it > > > > > >> >> > were greater physical strength then you'd probably be able > to > > > lift > > > > > cars > > > > > >> >> > off > > > > > >> >> > the ground. > > > > > > > > >
