On 5/11/2011 9:01 PM, Chuck Bowling wrote:
That's true too. But, it seems that there is more cooperation within a
species than across species. I wonder why that is?
It seems to me like there is as much benefit in cooperation between
species as there is within a species.
I guess the answer would likely have something to do with protecting
offspring.
Too much cooperation would compromise competition? It lays the whole man
in a state of nature concept out cleanly, to render a complex subject
simply.
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The same animals do not work together either. Check out the mating of
AK bears. Or the everlasting frustrations of male and female, male and
male, female and female, child to child human beings!!!
On May 11, 9:31 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> Maybe the problem is a differing opinion on what 'work together'
actually
> means. What I mean when I say that animals don't work together
is that there
> is no contract or agreement between them for the mutual benefit
of both.
>
> Note also that I didn't say no animals cooperate. Only that most
don't.
>
> For instance;
>
> The shark doesn't give the sucker permission to ride along. It
just does
> because that is where the feeding grounds are.
>
> The hippo example is a symbiotic relationship because the hippo
actually
> gives the bird permission to go into it's mouth to clean.
>
> Diatoms don't give the whale permission to eat them.
>
> Grazing deer could care less if the monkey is forewarned.
>
> I'm not sure it's relevant to the conversation but there is a
difference
> between symbiotes and parasites.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, the taoist shaman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
>
>
>
> > thats not even close to true chuck , sorry i have no real
evidence but
> > nether do you , although the answer is there to be researched
. ( not
> > essentialy " symbiotic " .... theres too much to be said ,
suckers
> > feeding off bacteria on sharks , birds eating bugs off
hippopotamus ,
> > diatoms feeding whales , some monkey and deer do work together
, man
> > and dog , even recorded proof of man and orca ( shamoo ) , every
> > scavenger and paracite , ... this is all a hopeless , vague ,
speck of
> > what i mean to convay , oh well .
>
> > Chuck Bowling wrote:
> > > Most species of animal don't actually cooperate in a symbiotic
> > relationship.
> > > The monkey and deer don't work together. The monkey sees the
deer run and
> > > being at about the same point in the food chain figures that
it should
> > run
> > > too.
>
> > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM, the taoist shaman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > i view myself as a spiritual being haveing a human
experience . the
> > > > point is that we shouldn't behave like carnivorous beasts
, deer and
> > > > monkeys work tgether eating nuts and beries , the deer
keep a look
> > > > out , monkeys pick nuts ,
>
> > > > is language a good or poor indicator of intellect ?
>
> > > > Ash wrote:
> > > > > Well, I think we are a part of the animal kingdom, last
time I
> > checked
> > > > > we were mammals in the sapien family. But I think the
mentality of
> > the
> > > > > herd is a natural behavior to social creatures, that and
our talented
> > > > > rhetoric for negative reinforcement of behaviors that go
against the
> > > > > norm while the norm is reinforced with confirmation bias.
>
> > > > > On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman wrote:
> > > > > > your statments contradict each other , besides we are
not animals ,
> > > > > > well....... i can be a bit of an animal from time to
time but .....
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 10:02 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > >> How can you expect governance unless you can control the
> > population?
> > > > > >> What else is new? :-)
>
> > > > > >> Even a family needs order and control, doesn't it?
>
> > > > > >> Don't you observe the order of nature? The routines
of the natural
> > > > > >> world serve a definite purpose. Eat or be eaten. :-)
>
> > > > > >> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist
shaman<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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> > > > > >>> are most people really sheepole ? can i get a ya or
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