Well...there might be agreement about where a daughter/son-in-law should be placed from the mom's point of view...or jail! But I'm not one of them.
Cities also saw the rise of division of labor rather than tribes traipsing about after herds, i.e. the start of commerce. On May 12, 5:33 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> wrote: > Anybody who would relocate to be near his mother-in-law is probably better > off in an asylum somewhere... > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:51 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > They were nomads- yes- following herds and fertile vegetation but I > > think they realized the "safety in numbers' as well as organized > > protection that a city would afford. In a sense, man is still nomadic > > and will move for a better paying job, climate, to be near his mother- > > in-law, etc. :-) > > > On May 12, 12:01 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > I think the theory is that humans were once hunter/gatherers going where > > the > > > food was. Once we discovered agriculture we began to settle into villages > > > that in turn grew. > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:03 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sometimes- it depends on the species (protection of the young). There > > > > is an urge to compete most likely based on survival that tries to > > > > insure food, territory, protection from predators that varies and is > > > > most subtle in humans via language arts, etc. but the game's the same. > > > > Humans may have watched herds and decided to establish cities is > > > > another thought. And yes, there are great benefits in cooperation and > > > > compromise but then we would have to get into a whole new arena. > > > > > On May 11, 8:01 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > That's true too. But, it seems that there is more cooperation within > > a > > > > > species than across species. I wonder why that is? > > > > > > It seems to me like there is as much benefit in cooperation between > > > > species > > > > > as there is within a species. > > > > > > I guess the answer would likely have something to do with protecting > > > > > offspring. > > > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The same animals do not work together either. Check out the mating > > of > > > > > > AK bears. Or the everlasting frustrations of male and female, male > > and > > > > > > male, female and female, child to child human beings!!! > > > > > > > On May 11, 9:31 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe the problem is a differing opinion on what 'work together' > > > > actually > > > > > > > means. What I mean when I say that animals don't work together is > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is no contract or agreement between them for the mutual benefit > > of > > > > both. > > > > > > > > Note also that I didn't say no animals cooperate. Only that most > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > For instance; > > > > > > > > The shark doesn't give the sucker permission to ride along. It > > just > > > > does > > > > > > > because that is where the feeding grounds are. > > > > > > > > The hippo example is a symbiotic relationship because the hippo > > > > actually > > > > > > > gives the bird permission to go into it's mouth to clean. > > > > > > > > Diatoms don't give the whale permission to eat them. > > > > > > > > Grazing deer could care less if the monkey is forewarned. > > > > > > > > I'm not sure it's relevant to the conversation but there is a > > > > difference > > > > > > > between symbiotes and parasites. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, the taoist shaman < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > thats not even close to true chuck , sorry i have no real > > evidence > > > > but > > > > > > > > nether do you , although the answer is there to be researched . > > ( > > > > not > > > > > > > > essentialy " symbiotic " .... theres too much to be said , > > suckers > > > > > > > > feeding off bacteria on sharks , birds eating bugs off > > hippopotamus > > > > , > > > > > > > > diatoms feeding whales , some monkey and deer do work together > > , > > > > man > > > > > > > > and dog , even recorded proof of man and orca ( shamoo ) , > > every > > > > > > > > scavenger and paracite , ... this is all a hopeless , vague , > > speck > > > > of > > > > > > > > what i mean to convay , oh well . > > > > > > > > > Chuck Bowling wrote: > > > > > > > > > Most species of animal don't actually cooperate in a > > symbiotic > > > > > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > > The monkey and deer don't work together. The monkey sees the > > deer > > > > run > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > being at about the same point in the food chain figures that > > it > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > run > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM, the taoist shaman < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > i view myself as a spiritual being haveing a human > > experience > > > > . > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > point is that we shouldn't behave like carnivorous beasts , > > > > deer > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > monkeys work tgether eating nuts and beries , the deer keep > > a > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > out , monkeys pick nuts , > > > > > > > > > > > is language a good or poor indicator of intellect ? > > > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think we are a part of the animal kingdom, last > > time > > > > I > > > > > > > > checked > > > > > > > > > > > we were mammals in the sapien family. But I think the > > > > mentality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > herd is a natural behavior to social creatures, that and > > our > > > > > > talented > > > > > > > > > > > rhetoric for negative reinforcement of behaviors that go > > > > against > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > norm while the norm is reinforced with confirmation bias. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > your statments contradict each other , besides we are > > not > > > > > > animals , > > > > > > > > > > > > well....... i can be a bit of an animal from time to > > time > > > > but > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 4, 10:02 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> How can you expect governance unless you can control > > the > > > > > > > > population? > > > > > > > > > > > >> What else is new? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Even a family needs order and control, doesn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Don't you observe the order of nature? The routines of > > the > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > >> world serve a definite purpose. Eat or be eaten. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist shaman< > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> are most people really sheepole ? can i get a ya or > > nay- > > > > Hide > > > > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > > > > text - > > > > > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
