Good point. I guess that if animals cooperated too much they would be in direct competition for resources.
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > On 5/11/2011 9:01 PM, Chuck Bowling wrote: > > That's true too. But, it seems that there is more cooperation within a > species than across species. I wonder why that is? > > It seems to me like there is as much benefit in cooperation between species > as there is within a species. > > I guess the answer would likely have something to do with protecting > offspring. > > Too much cooperation would compromise competition? It lays the whole man in > a state of nature concept out cleanly, to render a complex subject simply. > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The same animals do not work together either. Check out the mating of >> AK bears. Or the everlasting frustrations of male and female, male and >> male, female and female, child to child human beings!!! >> >> On May 11, 9:31 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Maybe the problem is a differing opinion on what 'work together' >> actually >> > means. What I mean when I say that animals don't work together is that >> there >> > is no contract or agreement between them for the mutual benefit of both. >> > >> > Note also that I didn't say no animals cooperate. Only that most don't. >> > >> > For instance; >> > >> > The shark doesn't give the sucker permission to ride along. It just does >> > because that is where the feeding grounds are. >> > >> > The hippo example is a symbiotic relationship because the hippo actually >> > gives the bird permission to go into it's mouth to clean. >> > >> > Diatoms don't give the whale permission to eat them. >> > >> > Grazing deer could care less if the monkey is forewarned. >> > >> > I'm not sure it's relevant to the conversation but there is a difference >> > between symbiotes and parasites. >> > >> > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, the taoist shaman < >> [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > thats not even close to true chuck , sorry i have no real evidence but >> > > nether do you , although the answer is there to be researched . ( not >> > > essentialy " symbiotic " .... theres too much to be said , suckers >> > > feeding off bacteria on sharks , birds eating bugs off hippopotamus , >> > > diatoms feeding whales , some monkey and deer do work together , man >> > > and dog , even recorded proof of man and orca ( shamoo ) , every >> > > scavenger and paracite , ... this is all a hopeless , vague , speck of >> > > what i mean to convay , oh well . >> > >> > > Chuck Bowling wrote: >> > > > Most species of animal don't actually cooperate in a symbiotic >> > > relationship. >> > > > The monkey and deer don't work together. The monkey sees the deer >> run and >> > > > being at about the same point in the food chain figures that it >> should >> > > run >> > > > too. >> > >> > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM, the taoist shaman < >> [email protected] >> > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > i view myself as a spiritual being haveing a human experience . >> the >> > > > > point is that we shouldn't behave like carnivorous beasts , deer >> and >> > > > > monkeys work tgether eating nuts and beries , the deer keep a look >> > > > > out , monkeys pick nuts , >> > >> > > > > is language a good or poor indicator of intellect ? >> > >> > > > > Ash wrote: >> > > > > > Well, I think we are a part of the animal kingdom, last time I >> > > checked >> > > > > > we were mammals in the sapien family. But I think the mentality >> of >> > > the >> > > > > > herd is a natural behavior to social creatures, that and our >> talented >> > > > > > rhetoric for negative reinforcement of behaviors that go against >> the >> > > > > > norm while the norm is reinforced with confirmation bias. >> > >> > > > > > On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman wrote: >> > > > > > > your statments contradict each other , besides we are not >> animals , >> > > > > > > well....... i can be a bit of an animal from time to time but >> ..... >> > >> > > > > > > On May 4, 10:02 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > >> How can you expect governance unless you can control the >> > > population? >> > > > > > >> What else is new? :-) >> > >> > > > > > >> Even a family needs order and control, doesn't it? >> > >> > > > > > >> Don't you observe the order of nature? The routines of the >> natural >> > > > > > >> world serve a definite purpose. Eat or be eaten. :-) >> > >> > > > > > >> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > >>> are most people really sheepole ? can i get a ya or nay- >> Hide >> > > quoted >> > > > > text - >> > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > >
