Heh. My ex's mom was probably one of the strangest creatures I've
ever met. Her first words to me when we met was "I like your
balls". Of course she was drunk - I think. I'd never actually
seen her sober so maybe it was her normal state.
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:22 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Well...there might be agreement about where a
daughter/son-in-law
should be placed from the mom's point of view...or jail! But
I'm not
one of them.
Cities also saw the rise of division of labor rather than tribes
traipsing about after herds, i.e. the start of commerce.
On May 12, 5:33 pm, Chuck Bowling
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> Anybody who would relocate to be near his mother-in-law is
probably better
> off in an asylum somewhere...
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:51 PM, rigsy03
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > They were nomads- yes- following herds and fertile
vegetation but I
> > think they realized the "safety in numbers' as well as
organized
> > protection that a city would afford. In a sense, man is
still nomadic
> > and will move for a better paying job, climate, to be
near his mother-
> > in-law, etc. :-)
>
> > On May 12, 12:01 pm, Chuck Bowling
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> > > I think the theory is that humans were once
hunter/gatherers going where
> > the
> > > food was. Once we discovered agriculture we began to
settle into villages
> > > that in turn grew.
>
> > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:03 AM, rigsy03
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > Sometimes- it depends on the species (protection of
the young). There
> > > > is an urge to compete most likely based on survival
that tries to
> > > > insure food, territory, protection from predators
that varies and is
> > > > most subtle in humans via language arts, etc. but the
game's the same.
> > > > Humans may have watched herds and decided to
establish cities is
> > > > another thought. And yes, there are great benefits in
cooperation and
> > > > compromise but then we would have to get into a whole
new arena.
>
> > > > On May 11, 8:01 pm, Chuck Bowling
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > That's true too. But, it seems that there is more
cooperation within
> > a
> > > > > species than across species. I wonder why that is?
>
> > > > > It seems to me like there is as much benefit in
cooperation between
> > > > species
> > > > > as there is within a species.
>
> > > > > I guess the answer would likely have something to
do with protecting
> > > > > offspring.
>
> > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM, rigsy03
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > The same animals do not work together either.
Check out the mating
> > of
> > > > > > AK bears. Or the everlasting frustrations of male
and female, male
> > and
> > > > > > male, female and female, child to child human
beings!!!
>
> > > > > > On May 11, 9:31 am, Chuck Bowling
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Maybe the problem is a differing opinion on
what 'work together'
> > > > actually
> > > > > > > means. What I mean when I say that animals
don't work together is
> > > > that
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > is no contract or agreement between them for
the mutual benefit
> > of
> > > > both.
>
> > > > > > > Note also that I didn't say no animals
cooperate. Only that most
> > > > don't.
>
> > > > > > > For instance;
>
> > > > > > > The shark doesn't give the sucker permission to
ride along. It
> > just
> > > > does
> > > > > > > because that is where the feeding grounds are.
>
> > > > > > > The hippo example is a symbiotic relationship
because the hippo
> > > > actually
> > > > > > > gives the bird permission to go into it's mouth
to clean.
>
> > > > > > > Diatoms don't give the whale permission to eat
them.
>
> > > > > > > Grazing deer could care less if the monkey is
forewarned.
>
> > > > > > > I'm not sure it's relevant to the conversation
but there is a
> > > > difference
> > > > > > > between symbiotes and parasites.
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, the taoist
shaman <
> > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > thats not even close to true chuck , sorry i
have no real
> > evidence
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > nether do you , although the answer is there
to be researched .
> > (
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > essentialy " symbiotic " .... theres too
much to be said ,
> > suckers
> > > > > > > > feeding off bacteria on sharks , birds eating
bugs off
> > hippopotamus
> > > > ,
> > > > > > > > diatoms feeding whales , some monkey and deer
do work together
> > ,
> > > > man
> > > > > > > > and dog , even recorded proof of man and orca
( shamoo ) ,
> > every
> > > > > > > > scavenger and paracite , ... this is all a
hopeless , vague ,
> > speck
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > what i mean to convay , oh well .
>
> > > > > > > > Chuck Bowling wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Most species of animal don't actually
cooperate in a
> > symbiotic
> > > > > > > > relationship.
> > > > > > > > > The monkey and deer don't work together.
The monkey sees the
> > deer
> > > > run
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > being at about the same point in the food
chain figures that
> > it
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > run
> > > > > > > > > too.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM, the taoist
shaman <
> > > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > i view myself as a spiritual being
haveing a human
> > experience
> > > > .
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > point is that we shouldn't behave like
carnivorous beasts ,
> > > > deer
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > monkeys work tgether eating nuts and
beries , the deer keep
> > a
> > > > look
> > > > > > > > > > out , monkeys pick nuts ,
>
> > > > > > > > > > is language a good or poor indicator of
intellect ?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ash wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think we are a part of the
animal kingdom, last
> > time
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > checked
> > > > > > > > > > > we were mammals in the sapien family.
But I think the
> > > > mentality
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > herd is a natural behavior to social
creatures, that and
> > our
> > > > > > talented
> > > > > > > > > > > rhetoric for negative reinforcement of
behaviors that go
> > > > against
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > norm while the norm is reinforced with
confirmation bias.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > your statments contradict each other
, besides we are
> > not
> > > > > > animals ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > well....... i can be a bit of an
animal from time to
> > time
> > > > but
> > > > > > .....
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 4, 10:02 pm,
rigsy03<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> How can you expect governance unless
you can control
> > the
> > > > > > > > population?
> > > > > > > > > > > >> What else is new? :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Even a family needs order and
control, doesn't it?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Don't you observe the order of
nature? The routines of
> > the
> > > > > > natural
> > > > > > > > > > > >> world serve a definite purpose. Eat
or be eaten. :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist shaman<
> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> are most people really sheepole ?
can i get a ya or
> > nay-
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