Bad-mouthing Descartes has been done to a 'T' by Mark Steel Lee - well worth a watch. There is now consensus that most of our 'reasoning' is not conscious. Depression may turn out to be down to gut bacteria. All humans share only one of three 'gut systems' (amazing, given the potential for variety). We may be more 'at one' than we know! When we reason (otherwise act) with others we are not 'individual'. Descartes doesn't get much past 'there are thoughts' - or so my bacteria tell me! Concepts may be in the way of knowing, for all we know. I do think we usefully operate in a duel manner - thinking about, say, why concepts may be useful or not. Such is how the philosophy of concepts works. Yet the state we need to achieve may be one of no concepts. I don't do Tibetan, as you know, and am building a space Ark in the shed! I put the Descartes paste in because I'm inclined to believe argument on this is like claiming a woman is a witch because she ate a dog. On production of the dog alive, she is declared a witch on the grounds the dog survived being eaten by her.
On May 19, 3:04 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The > world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes > over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the > same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same > cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One , > but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One " > when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our > consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all > that is immortal. > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the world > > as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from > > self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think it > > true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a > > dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual view, > > all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and > > experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual > > perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a > > beginning or end. > > > On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the observed > >> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality > >> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , remains > >> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God > >> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression.
