Orn just as you fail to understand me I fail to understand you , maybe we are having a communication difficulty. We have the ability to think and by thinking break down ‘the one’ into its component parts----Orn
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Who said we are ‘parts of the whole’? > And, since the Absolute has no components, how can there be ‘differing > images’? > If ‘water in many vessels…’ is the ocean then it is accurate to say > that oil in many vessels, rubber bands in many vessels etc. are the > ocean too. Water is not an ocean whether encased or not. Water is > water. Ocean is ocean. > > > On May 25, 11:59 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it would >> be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images of the >> Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many vessels >> of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it is not a >> part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is the >> vessel and not the water. >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to ignore the >> > consubstantial aspect of ‘the many’ simply ignores the experience of >> > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking break down >> > ‘the one’ into its component parts (as a thought, not an actuality). >> >> >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/ >> >> > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing >> >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The >> >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His existence >> >> identifiable to our understanding. >> >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world >> >> is a proof of the Self. >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from >> >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all >> >> > that >> >> > is immortal. " >> >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if one >> >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world and/or >> >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures >> >> > inextricably? >> >> >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun in a >> >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature >> >> > which >> >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less >> >> > brilliant >> >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining through >> >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. >> >> >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The >> >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes >> >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the >> >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same >> >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One , >> >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One " >> >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our >> >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from >> >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all >> >> >> that is immortal. >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the world >> >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from >> >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think it >> >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a >> >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual view, >> >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and >> >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual >> >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a >> >> >>> beginning or end. >> >> >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the observed >> >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality >> >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , >> >> >>>> remains >> >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God >> >> >>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression.
